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Ky. 'King of Pot' on lam 2 years after giant raid

Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:07 AM EST
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Brett Barrouquere, Associated Press

This undated photo released by the U.S. Marshal's Office shows John Robert Boone, wanted by federal authorities in Kentucky for growing more than 2,400 marijuana plants on his central Kentucky farm. With authorities closing in on Boone's marijuana farm two years ago, the legendary Kentucky outlaw vanished like a puff of smoke. The prolific grower has been dodging the law ever since, his folk-hero status growing with every sale of a "Run, Johnny, Run" T-shirt and click on his Facebook fan page. (AP Photo/U.S. Marshal's Office)

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SPRINGFIELD — With authorities closing in to seize 2,400 marijuana plants on John Robert Boone's farm two years ago, the legendary Kentucky outlaw vanished like a puff of smoke. The prolific grower has been dodging the law ever since, his folk-hero status growing with every sale of a "Run, Johnny, Run" T-shirt and click on his Facebook fan page.

Tracking down the fugitive who resembles a tattooed Santa Claus has proven as hard as "trying to catch a ghost" for the federal authorities canvassing tightlipped residents among the small farms in a rural area southeast of Louisville. Boone, who's trying to avoid the life sentence he would get if convicted a third time of growing pot, has plenty of sympathizers in an area where many farmers down on their luck have planted marijuana.

"That's all he's ever done, raising pot," said longtime friend Larry Hawkins, who owns a bar and restaurant called Hawk's Place. "He never hurt nobody."

As Hawkins puts it, there are two kinds of growers: "You've got the caught and the uncaught." And, at least for now, the 67-year-old Boone is a bit of both.

He spent more than a decade in federal prison after being convicted in the late 1980s of taking part in what federal prosecutors called the "largest domestic marijuana syndicate in American history," a string of 29 farms in Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas and Wisconsin.

The group became known as the "Cornbread Mafia" and Boone was tagged by prosecutors as their leader, earning him the nicknames "King of Pot" and "Godfather of Grass." Eventually, 70 Kentuckians were accused of growing 182 tons of marijuana.

Boone's looks are a mixture of grandfatherly and sinister: Around the time of the 2008 raid on his property 60 miles southeast of Louisville, Boone sported white hair on his balding head and a shaggy white beard. Yet across his back are large, tattooed letters spelling "Omerta," the infamous Sicilian word that describes the underworld code of silence.

While federal authorities don't describe him as violent, his criminal record dates back to the 1960s and also includes charges of wanton endangerment and illegal firearm possession.

Deputy U.S. Marshal James Habib and Boone's friends call him an innovator — separating male from female plants on a large scale to increase potency and experimenting with seeds from around the world in different climates.

"He was the player. There might have been one or two close to him," said Jack Smith, a former federal prosecutor who represented Boone in the 1980s case. "I never heard of anybody who was bigger."

While Smith said some see marijuana growers as harmless, he points out large-scale operations can fund other illegal activities such as prostitution or lead to violence between dealers. Large marijuana fields in Kentucky and elsewhere are sometimes booby-trapped or patrolled by armed growers.

"It's illegal for a reason," Smith said.

Boone's rough-edged stomping grounds — dotted with small towns, corn fields and bourbon distilleries — have a colorful history of fostering illicit activities.

The area was home to moonshine runners during Prohibition, who often darted into rows of corn stalks and barns to hide from federal agents. In the early 1980s, as the economy soured and prices for tobacco and farm products dropped, parts of central Kentucky had unemployment rates nearing 14 percent. The rate in the area now is around 9 percent — similar to the national average.

"A lot of the sons of moonshine makers turned to marijuana," said Smith, a native of the area who now practices in Louisville. "That particular part of the state, that was the hometown of marijuana."

Boone himself invoked the area's hardships during the 1988 court hearing at which he was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

"With the poverty at home, marijuana is sometimes one of the things that puts bread on the table," Boone said. "We were working with our hands on earth God gave us."

Boone's estranged wife, Marilyn, declined to speak to The Associated Press at her house. Other family members also declined to respond to phone calls and letters. And in the towns of central Kentucky — Springfield, Raywick, Loretto and Lebanon — many people acknowledged knowing of Boone, but either professed not to know him well or wouldn't speak about him to a reporter.

"Even if I knew where he was, I wouldn't tell you," said James "Jim Bean" Cecil, a 64-year-old Lebanon, Ky., resident who spent time in prison with Boone.

Those who would talk about Boone offered similar descriptions — a friendly, nonconfrontational man who was quick to open his wallet when friends were having trouble making ends meet. For example, a man who mowed the grass on Boone's sprawling property was given twice the fee he requested at the end of the job.

When Cecil got out of prison, Boone gave him money to get back on his feet.

"He never asked me to pay him back," Cecil said.

Friends also recall him as a heck of a farmer who grew corn and who just happened to also grow marijuana, which to some locals made Boone an outlaw, not a criminal. A Facebook page set up for him has 1,600 fans.

"He was just a good ol' country boy, a farmer," said Joe Pendleton, a Boone acquaintance whose shop sells the "Run, Johnny, Run" T-shirts in nearby Campbellsville. "He's not robbing banks or nothing."

Boone's latest trouble came in 2008, when Kentucky State Police doing aerial surveillance spotted marijuana plants on trailers on Boone's farm near Springfield. A raid turned up more than 2,400 plants, but no Boone.

"As soon as he found out they were there, he split," said Jim Higdon, a writer based in Lebanon, Ky., who interviewed Boone for a book project. "It was a death sentence. He became a fugitive."

Boone, who has marijuana-growing contacts in Central America, could be anywhere. Then again, Habib said he could still be hiding out in the rural, tight-knit area around his farm.

"It's like trying to catch a ghost," former Deputy U.S. Marshal Rich Knighten said shortly after Boone's indictment in 2008.

If Boone's friends have their way, he'll remain uncaught. Some complain it's not worth a life sentence — which Boone faces under the federal three-strikes provision — for a nonviolent drug charge.

"I never seen nobody get mad in my life smoking dope," said former Raywick mayor Charlie Bickett, who runs Charlie's Place, a bar filled with hand-painted milk cans and saws, including a painting of Boone looking out over the water while smoking a joint.

Even free, Bickett said, Boone is serving a sentence — wondering each day if he'll be caught and knowing he can't return to his family.

"I guarantee you, he'd love to be back home, Johnny would," Bickett said. "I really miss him. I sure do."

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AlphaDogReporter

Check the local malls this time of year.

  • 1 vote
#1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:26 AM EST
Canadian Dave

Whoa! Santa is the "King of Pot"!! No wonder he's so jolly.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:27 AM EST
Mark Fettig

[...While Smith said some see marijuana growers as harmless, he points out large-scale operations can fund other illegal activities such as prostitution or lead to violence between dealers. Large marijuana fields in Kentucky and elsewhere are sometimes booby-trapped or patrolled by armed growers.

"It's illegal for a reason," Smith said...]

Horny men with paychecks fund prostitution, drunk people lead to violent acts, corn fields are almost always patrolled by armed farmers, but pot farmers are only criminals because it's illegal - Mr. Smith - your reasoning is not only uneducated, but it's biased, because illegal pot farmers fund your activities...

Once it is legalized, people will be less likely to engage in other illegal activities, as they will no longer see themselves as criminals (I'm already breaking the law, might as well break some more...)

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:48 PM EST
Davy-755715

Sorry Mark, but I'm not jumping on the "Dillingeresque" bandwagon. I hope they catch him. If it'd be made completely legal in one fell swoop, those in law enforcement wouldn't miss a beat; the ones involved in pot would simply move on to the next poison-du-jour.

    #1.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:03 PM EST
    Mark Fettig

    Yes, they could move on to other things, like child prostitution, illegal immigrants, Terrorists, murderers, cocaine, heroin, crack, drunk drivers, meth, pollution, etc. That would truly make a difference in our world.

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:12 PM EST
    CCArm

    Poor Johnny! I sure wouldn't turn him in. The only thing that makes him a criminal is the stupid law.

    • 2 votes
    #1.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:19 PM EST
    Ix chel

    "It's illegal for a reason," Smith said.

    Bull@!$%#..it is illegal so the damned feds can have something to do and make business out of incarcerating users for smoking something that would grow wild if you let it...they need a reason to bilk us out of our tax money and what better way to do it than an evil war on drugs..most especially pot....I wouldn´t tell them if I knew where he was either...let them pound sand..legalize drugs right now and stop telling other folks what to do...

    btw, when I first saw his pic I didn´t think Santa Clause I thought hey look it´s Uncle Jesse!

    *I have a poll set up on Newsvine about the legalization of drugs..you can go to my profile and vote on it..please do.

    • 6 votes
    #1.6 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:39 PM EST
    Stand up, speak out

    damned feds can have something to do and make business out of incarcerating users for smoking something that would grow wild if you let it

    Feds, corporate America, what's the difference anymore? Right with you chef

    • 4 votes
    #1.7 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:51 PM EST
    BB-375952

    Feds, corporate America, what's the difference anymore? Right with you chef

    Your President probably would agree with all of you...he would like for it to be legal...

    • 1 vote
    #1.8 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:14 PM EST
    Stand up, speak out

    Why not? Plead your case.

    • 1 vote
    #1.9 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:24 PM EST
    BB-375952

    Why not?

    How would you feel about the President sitting in the White House smoking pot...He admitted he smoked it. I am sure I know your answer, but don't think you mean it..I don't believe anyone stoned on pot are responsible people. People always want to put it more suitable than Alcohol. I have seen Obama with a Glass of wine in his hand, but I think he would not like a photo taken of him smoking pot.

      #1.10 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:42 PM EST
      Angry Left-532262

      How would you feel about the President sitting in the White House smoking pot.

      How would you feel about the president sitting in the White House getting drunk off of Lone Star Beer.

      • 2 votes
      #1.11 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:43 PM EST
      BB-375952

      How would you feel about the president sitting in the White House getting drunk off of Lone Star Beer.

      Who was that Lyndon B Johnson?

        #1.12 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:58 PM EST
        Stand up, speak out

        Or a President who said he found God and swore off the demon alcohol when a number of photos would lead any reasonable person to question that.

        • 2 votes
        #1.13 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:08 PM EST
        Angry Left-532262

        You tell me...would you rather deal with a stoner or an alcoholic?

        I have never had to "babysit" a stoner.....who hasn't babysat (or been babysat) at least once?

        • 2 votes
        #1.14 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:58 PM EST
        BB-375952

        I love the democrat double standard...Obama can say he was a stoner and tried Cocaine,so he is the good guy, but George Bush can admit he thought he drank too much and so he is a lush...Obama has to hide the fact that he smokes...won't do it in public..so what does that make him...a liar? I think when someone admits something they are doing something about it...I put my trust in George Bush a lot more than I do someone who hides what they do.

          #1.15 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:06 PM EST
          Angry Left-532262

          George Bush can admit he thought he drank too much and so he is a lush.

          Because drunks are the worst type of people in the world...I've never met a alcoholic worth 2 @!$%#s.

          • 2 votes
          #1.16 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:07 PM EST
          Ix chel

          um who said I am a Democrat? I am not a Democrat nor am I a Republican nor have I said anything about either president..and I will be real damned honest with you..if they want to stick that crap in their body that is their business...not mine, it isn´t my body it is there body...but if I had my preference about which...when we are discussing the man who has the nuke codes I would much rather he smoke pot than get sloppy drunk or get high on crystal..why? the latter two have a tendency to make you anger easy...a person couldn´t get angry if they wanted to on pot...they might eat you out of house and home and laugh themselves to death, but they wouldn´t be inclined to start wars of any kind.

          • 3 votes
          #1.17 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:54 PM EST
          BB-375952

          Because drunks are the worst type of people in the world...I've never met a alcoholic worth 2 @!$%#s.

          George Bush never said he was an Alcoholic.

          You know what I feel sad for you...Alcoholism is a disease and people struggle everyday. You are too busy being angry...

          • 1 vote
          #1.18 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:44 PM EST
          puffin prophet

          I don't believe anyone stoned on pot are responsible people.

          What a foolish belief!

          I don't believe that one can even begin to comprehend the significance of "responsibility" until it has been contemplated over a bowl of super silver haze.

          Ok... of course one can, but that's how silly your statement sounded to me.

          • 3 votes
          #1.19 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:49 PM EST
          BB-375952

          .a person couldn´t get angry if they wanted to on pot...they might eat you out of house and home and laugh themselves to death, but they wouldn´t be inclined to start wars of any kind.

          I don't give a flying fig what a person does or doesn't do while smoking pot....do you understand that? Defend the drug all you want...this is so stupid.. Yeh, Laugh themselves to death is right and not thinking that an important decision would be made with any sense...because all the brain cells are shrinking...

            #1.20 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:50 PM EST
            Ix chel

            defending pot is like defending asthma inhalers...good lord it is a medication what part of that do you not understand? Where do you get the idea that pot shrinks brain cells? Can you cite the medical study? Because in fact, it doesn´t do that at all..it does stop tremors though in Parkinson´s patients.

            Disinformation like that you just spouted makes me just laugh a bit about how the normal populous doesn´t have the slightest clue what they are talking about when it comes to pharmacology and clinical studies...btw I am a medical professional so I suggest next time you try to tell me something shrinks brain cells you have at least a study to back yourself up with...it is like coming to a gun fight unarmed.

            • 4 votes
            #1.21 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:50 PM EST
            heather rowles

            Don't forget pot also quiets those suffering from Alzheimers. Then there are the cancer patients who can eat after smoking pot. It relaxes the tight, aching muscles of those with Fibromyalgia, along with increasing their appetite. Think about those people who are chemically sensitive and can't take the standard prescriptions written by an MD. Should they suffer, should any of these people suffer because of antiquated laws dating from the 1930's? I don't think so.

            Here's fuel for fodder: How many of you are aware the Social Security Administration has declared pot a viable medication, allowing for it's use in states where it's legal?

            How many of you are aware that the Veterans Administration has changed it's policy? VA doctors can now write prescriptions for, or recommend pot in those same states. That was the best news I'd heard in a long time. I know a young man who's served multiple tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that he's home the only way he can sleep soundly is after puffing on a fattie. The prescriptions he was taking turned him into a zombie so he turned to pot. I understand his choice completely.

            I've been using pot ever since I was diagnosed with Multiple-Chemically Sensitive related Fibromyalgia twelve years ago. I can't take regular medications because my liver and kidneys are unable to process and expell them so toxins build up in my body. I'm in chronic pain and eating can be difficult at times. There have been periods in my life where I was too incapacitated to take care of myself or my home. So who is going to tell me I should stop using the only thing I have that allows me to function like a normal person? Who is going to try to impose their ignorant viewpoint that's most likely based on the propaganda fed to us for the last eighty years?

            One last historical note:Queen Victoria's tried and true remedy for menstrual cramps was tea made from pot. As Monarch, she ruled over the largest empire in modern history. I wouldn't say it did any damage to her brain.

            • 4 votes
            #1.22 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:08 AM EST
            Davy-755715

            Users take the typical path: They first decide they enjoy getting away from reality, then they turn over any rock that might in any way justify what they've chosen. How many here, would defend "king Johnny" if he'd been cooking (supplying) meth or PCP?

              #1.23 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:27 AM EST
              heather rowles

              I wish I could escape from reality. Reality is that there are ignorant, narrow-minded fools who have no concept of other people's problems, medical or otherwise. I can't tell you how many people I know who were against pot right up until they were diagnosed with a serious illness. Then they couldn't praise it enough. That's how I was after living the corporate life and promoting a drug-free workplace.

              • 3 votes
              #1.24 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:09 AM EST
              BB-375952

              Here is your link... Sounds here like it is maybe too late for some to read.

              http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20080602/marijuana-use-may-shrink-the-brain

              good lord it is a medication what part of that do you not understand?

              Look up the side affects on your medication and see the harm it can cause...Your medication call "dope" also has side affects.

              I am a medical professional so I suggest next time you try to tell me something shrinks brain cells you have at least a study to back yourself up with...it is like coming to a gun fight unarmed.

              I know a lot of Medical Professionals who are also Obese and smoke...they know that it is bad for them and they keep eating away and smoking... and I am the Surgeon General. LMAO

              • 1 vote
              #1.25 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:13 AM EST
              Ix chel

              heather me too..I was zero tolerance, anti drug, pro drug war, until reality set in when my mother got terminal cancer and after that I moved right into the middle of the drug war where I have to watch young men and women murdered in the streets over a turf war to see who can take the most drugs to the US...you are right there is no justification for marijuana being illegal...

              Davy, I have never used any illicit drugs in my life...ever. I am for legalization...sorry to burst your hairy bubble there thinking that folks are reaching for justification..medical research and studies do show the positive benefits in several illnesses..it is sort of like denying a person with cardiac problems the right to take an aspirin.

              You ask and I find it funny that you talk about cooking meth...doctors in the USA prescribe it to children every single day of the week for ADHD and they prescribe it to adults for obesity and adult ADHD and for narcolepsy...did you know that?? yes it is manufactured and packaged and sold in PHARMACIES under the brand name Desoxyn...look it up..it will clearly say there for you that the generic name is methamphetamine...not too many folks do any PCP these days ...that was a drug from the 60s and 70s

              PCP was developed under the brand name Sernyl as an anaesthetic agent and was used in both humans and animals in surgery...the side effects caused its discontinued usage and I would bet that teens that have tried it today is less than 1%...it was never used very much as an illicit drug...even in the 70s at the height of all the drug use it was only tried by 13% of people in 1979 and in 1990 the number was under 3% from the side effects it is easy to tell that this isn´t something that causes ease or pleasure so most folks don´t want to try it...it makes you psychotic, but it was not started as an illicit substance, it was manufactured by our pharmaceuticals...

              • 3 votes
              #1.26 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:28 AM EST
              KobalDeleted
              Ix chel

              BB, George W Bush has admitted he was an alcoholic, he did so before he ever even became president. Yes, alcoholism is a disease, but so is addiction. Would you lock up people for being alcoholics or send them for treatment? Do you realize that alcohol is so addicting that like heroin in withdrawal it will kill you if you are not under medical supervision? Yet, it is ok for alcohol a drug that clearly does kill brain cells, rot the liver, and cause several other impairments like memory loss and psychosis, is legal. There are only 2 benefits medically from alcohol and 1 is that beer if you drink just one every week is a good flush for the kidneys and prevents or cures infection and 2 red wine can cure anemia oh wait three benefits...you can also use it as a wound cleaning agent and pain killer in an emergency, but you have to get fairly sloshed for it to kill pain.

              I don´t condemn Bush for being an alcoholic, I do think he clearly fell off the wagon a few times as president, but I know for a fact that he was an alcoholic. Do I think he is back to hitting the bottle? No, I think he has had a few slips, all alcoholics do eventually slip it is just how fast they catch themselves and put themselves back on that wagon that counts. I am not a Bush hater, but I am not an Obama hater either, this isn´t about Bush and it isn´t about Obama..this is about legalizing drugs because you BB nor anyone else have the right to tell anyone else what the hell they can put in their bodies.

              • 3 votes
              #1.28 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:51 AM EST
              BB-375952

              George W Bush has admitted he was an alcoholic,

              George Bush never admitted to being an alcoholic...He said he was abusing alcohol...and after his 40th birthday party hangover he decided then to quick cold turkey...Now what is wrong with a person making a decision like that...To me it shows stability..

              I do think he clearly fell off the wagon a few times as president,

              Do you know what the KEY word in this sentence is, your third word, THINK...you don't know squat...Just because you are a liberal and this is a crappy liberal forum, that what you THINK you know is true...

              OBAMA admitted to loving POT and BEING STONED, you know I think he has been stoned since being in the WHITE HOUSE...So do not give me any flack for this statement, because it is the same as you did. btw didn't he decide to stop on his on..because he found cocaine too.

              Buddy everyone has a past some of it not so good...so get over it...But this jerk that this article is about should be caught and pay the price for breaking the law...THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE BROKE THE LAW, if it becomes legal then, which I don't believe it ever will, he can plant the whole UNITED STATES IN POT and there will be no more corn and potatoes, why? People will just want to plant weed. LMAO

                #1.29 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:22 AM EST
                Ix chel

                I am not a liberal BB, I voted for George Bush twice and btw, I do know squat, I know quite a bit about Bush enough that you might want to think twice about what you are saying since I lived down the street from his parents in Houston.

                Obama did not admit to loving pot, he admitted trying it.

                • 4 votes
                #1.30 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:03 AM EST
                BB-375952

                Legalizing Marijuana? in your presidents own words

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA&NR

                Another reason it should be legal? So they can smoke legally while building our cars.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmKyJXHXRE

                Obama suggests in his books that he used marijuana and "blow" to ease the pain of his ongoing struggle to define his racial identity, and that association makes it all but unthinkable that even the most ruthless political operative would attempt to make an issue of long-ago substance abuse.

                Oooooooh...so sad. That suckered in a lot of votes..LOL

                  #1.31 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST
                  Ix chel

                  My president? Unless you aren´t an American or have renounced your US citizenship he is your president too.

                  I don´t care particularly what presidents say or don´t say or what they do in their personal life...that isn´t my business what he puts in his body..that is his business alone...see I am not a busy body butting into folks personal life.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.32 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:45 AM EST
                  Stand up, speak out

                  Some folks just have no respect. Even though I could't stand everything Dubya he was still my President.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.33 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:24 PM EST
                  looselucy

                  Ummmm, FYI... Marijuana seeds are one of the most nutritious substances on the planet. Replacing corn with it is not a bad idea at all, especially considering that after the seeds are harvested, and the oil extracted (for biodoesel or soaps) you can use the pulp to make paper, cloth, and building materials.

                  • 5 votes
                  #1.34 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:14 PM EST
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                  Bad Fish

                  Legalize Drugs! Our war on drugs has failed miserably. What is it costing the tax payers to search for this man?

                  • 16 votes
                  Reply#2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:32 AM EST
                  Rixar13

                  Just say No to the "War on Weed".... It's a plant... Smile

                  LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

                  • 8 votes
                  #2.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:56 PM EST
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                  Kori

                  The group became known as the "Cornbread Mafia" and Boone was tagged by prosecutors as their leader, earning him the nicknames "King of Pot" and "Godfather of Grass."

                  Cornbread Mafia? lol! I think it's too late for Mr. Boone to learn another trade. I wonder what the feds do with all that pot? Do you think there any potheads in that group? If so, what a convenient job to have.

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:37 AM EST
                  I'm Ringo

                  And good luck to him. I'm sick of all the two-bit dictators and their war on America. The man hasn't done anything wrong and the nutjobs want to lock him up for the rest of his life......at taxpayer expense of course.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:47 AM EST
                  ScottyW1

                  Possible life in prison for growing pot!! Give me a Fing break! When I was locked up, I saw child molesters get out and come back while drug offenders did "serious" time before making parole. Our justice system is psychotic.

                  • 15 votes
                  Reply#5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:48 AM EST
                  Stand up, speak out

                  Our justice system is psychotic.

                  Roger that. And worse yet, it's big business, increasingly becoming more and more a part of corporate America. Run, Johnny, Run.

                  • 5 votes
                  #5.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:17 PM EST
                  demmywemmy

                  And guess which state has their correctional facilities run nearly entirely by private enterprise?

                  Arizona.

                  http://www.correctionscorp.com/

                  horresco referens!

                  • 5 votes
                  #5.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:30 PM EST
                  Stand up, speak out

                  Privately for profit run correctional institutions are the strongest defense of all against privatization. While I agree whole-heartedly that certain public institutions are more logically run by private entities correctional facilities don't belong on the list at all. The fact that while the US only constitutes around 5% of the world's population but harbors 25% of the world's incarcerated population says plenty. And that's all tax payer money folks, yours and mine, out of our pockets.

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:25 PM EST
                  Reply
                  g washington

                  good for him, escape the government mafia as all they want to do is take all that you worked for and live on your wealth. this is all the governments of the world are doing to society. if they come for you, shoot them as pot is legal in lots of countries and the government just want your money and accomplishments to call their own.shoot back.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:54 AM EST
                  BB-375952

                  I'm sick of all the two-bit dictators and their war on America. The man hasn't done anything wrong and the nutjobs want to lock him up for the rest of his life......at taxpayer expense of course.

                  It is against the law to grow pot and the amount that he had grown...throw him in with the rapist and the child molesters. when/or if it is legalized then he can grow all he wants. Simple to me. So you want these guys to get away with making a lot of money and not pay one penny to the government as people who get up and actually attend a job and 30+ % goes to the government...Tell me what is fair about that...not to mention how many people that are walking around in a stupor and standing in line for government money to buy pot. That is what is costing the government.

                  • 3 votes
                  #7 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:57 AM EST
                  Padiwak Jones

                  It's also against the law to J walk or blow through a red light. Should these people also be thrown in with the rapists and child molesters? Taxes is all your worried about? How about the fact that most of the largest energy companies haven't paid taxes in almost 20 years? Your priorities are very misguided and childish.

                  You say "if and when it becomes legal" then all is well? Thats just plain weird.

                  • 5 votes
                  #7.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:37 PM EST
                  BB-375952

                  Your priorities are very misguided and childish.

                  My priorities are misguided LOL...you are the one that compared jay walking and running through a red light to raising POT!

                  you say "if and when it becomes legal" then all is well? Thats just plain weird.

                  Makes sense to me...not that I want pot legalized...but if it is then he, the dude that ran, is free from the boundaries of Law...Right? If they find him now, yep, for evading the law, throw him in with the rapist and child molesters.

                  Taxes is all your worried about?

                  Now that statement is really weird...the person above me had talked how much it is costing the government to search for this person and they want to set him free and allow him to get away with breaking the law...and he ( the runnaway dude)had more than likely lived the good life, or at least was planning to, and not pay one red cent of tax. If I have to pay taxes so does this guy.. So if you are ok with that...so be it...but I am not. Law abiding citizens usually aren't, I don't smoke the "stuff"...I want him caught and pay for breaking the law.

                  • 3 votes
                  #7.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:00 PM EST
                  Spooky Boyfriend

                  It's also not against teh law to addict folks to adulterated tobacco products as long as you bring in your quarterly stubs to the revenuers; ya know, 'de gub'mint.

                  It's not again' the law to use bikinis to sell booze or put ads on the telly for psycho-active drugs being spit out by big pharma at a staggering pace and they're not even payin' taxes. The drug companies have figured out how to get their profits tax free and able to roll their patnts over every three years or so momma's little helper can stay profitable. Research and development don'cha know. How many folks are standing in line in a stupor with gub'mint chein handcks to help Astra-Zeneca along?

                  That being said, why can't the combined forces of law enforcement find this feller? Is he hanging out with Osama ibn Laden? Is the war on drugs going as well as the war on scary things?

                  • 4 votes
                  #7.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:06 PM EST
                  Naughtia

                  the only reason he doesnt pay taxes, is our tax code and the fact that the drug is illegal.

                  So you having it illegal, is costing us doubly, both looking for him and lost tax revenue.

                  couple quick questions:

                  was rosa parks wrong for moving to the front of the bus? it was also against the law back then. Not that I am comparing this to civil rights stuggle but just saying something is against the law isnt that simple in saying it is wrong or right.

                  How about the laws we have that are unenforced but have never been repealed.
                  In my state supposedly women cant drive without a man walking in front of her ringing a bell. Should we lock up all the women drivers?

                  or what about the casually enforced. Many states in the south have sodomy laws and yet many married couples practice it. should they also be locked up?

                  Once again i say, just saying something is illegal isnt saying if it is right or wrong.

                  • 4 votes
                  #7.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM EST
                  BB-375952

                  Spooky Boyfriend

                  It's also not against teh law to addict folks to adulterated tobacco products as long as you bring in your quarterly stubs to the revenuers; ya know, 'de gub'mint.

                  You are spooky...and I am trying to comprehend what you are really saying in your comment...

                  I don't smoke and I don't drink...so I am not having to pay the high taxes that those who do,and also I am hoping to avoid lung cancer and a washed out liver which raises insurance premiums. by staying sober and POT free I keep my wits about me and by not smoking I help keep the air clean. Now everyone has those choices, and if no one is buying then no one will be selling...

                  Naughtia

                  was rosa parks wrong for moving to the front of the bus? i

                  Gracious it didn't take long for racism to get in this article...I agree with Rosa Parks she should sit anywhere she wanted to...be it the front or the back of the bus...

                    #7.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:31 PM EST
                    demmywemmy

                    In my state supposedly women cant drive without a man walking in front of her ringing a bell. Should we lock up all the women drivers?

                    I'm sorry but that's funny as hell. Gotta love blue laws!

                    • 3 votes
                    #7.6 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:32 PM EST
                    Padiwak Jones

                    Yes I am comparing growing a plant to J walking. Whats Illegal is Illegal but Child Molesters? I absolutely understand your position on breaking a law. The person you were responding to is also misguided. As if he knows how much money was spent in finding this guy.

                    With the amount of people who grow and smoke pot im sure someone in your extented family has tried or uses pot...or perhaps molests children and rapes woman. It's your gauge I'm using.

                    I just thought your comparison was a little harsh. Im sure your whole family are wonderful people who would never do such abominable things.

                    • 3 votes
                    #7.7 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:33 PM EST
                    Mark Fettig

                    Marijuana laws were created with the hatred fear instills - fear of competition in the paper industry and the chemical industry - there were synthetic fiber manufacturers who couldn't compete against the already thriving Hemp industry - not long after (the plant responsible for keeping our soil in place), the great depression came - the reason? There was a drought, which hemp roots would have ignored.

                    • 3 votes
                    #7.8 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:27 PM EST
                    bore-head007

                    I don't smoke and I don't drink...so I am not having to pay the high taxes that those who do,and also I am hoping to avoid lung cancer and a washed out liver which raises insurance premiums. by staying sober and POT free I keep my wits about me and by not smoking I help keep the air clean

                    Whatever you do, BB, live a little. You need a tune up!

                    Betcha don't fart either!

                    Or speed. You remind me of my ex. She was perfect . She'd tell ya that! And believe it!

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.9 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:29 PM EST
                    Stand up, speak out

                    Spooky Boyfriend

                    It's also not against teh law to addict folks to adulterated tobacco products as long as you bring in your quarterly stubs to the revenuers; ya know, 'de gub'mint.

                    You are spooky...and I am trying to comprehend what you are really saying in your comment...

                    Damn right, it's spooky. Spooky is absolutely correct with his comment about adulterated tobacco addiction. Do a little research and you'll find that the tobacco industry has done extensive research to see how they can adulterate tobacco to affect the certain receptors in the brain that are affected by much more well known addictive substances, primarily opiates.

                    • 4 votes
                    #7.10 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:33 PM EST
                    BB-375952

                    Naughtia

                    Things that are done between consenting adults is not illegal...

                    In my state supposedly women cant drive without a man walking in front of her ringing a bell. Should we lock up all the women drivers?

                    Looks like your City should look into their laws and rid something so stupid and demeaning to women...somehow I don't know if I believe the law exist...

                      #7.11 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:45 PM EST
                      bore-head007

                      Don't push it! We don't do anything wrong, do we?!

                        #7.12 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:48 PM EST
                        BB-375952

                        With the amount of people who grow and smoke pot im sure someone in your extented family has tried or uses pot...or perhaps molests children and rapes woman. It's your gauge I'm using.

                        Maybe in my extended family, so extended I don't know them, but not in my immediate family...but now the drinking did happen and he was repulsive. He drank and smoked now he is dead from lung cancer. Go visit his home and you would choke on his smoke...btw he was related by marriage.

                        I just thought your comparison was a little harsh. Im sure your whole family are wonderful people who would never do such abominable things.

                        Never did I say anything about my family...I was speaking for myself...btw my family are wonderful people and they are not rapist nor child molesters.

                          #7.13 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:52 PM EST
                          BB-375952

                          standupandspeakout

                          Do a little research and you'll find that the tobacco industry has done extensive research to see how they can adulterate tobacco to affect the certain receptors in the brain that are affected by much more well known addictive substances, primarily opiates.

                          Never ever have I doubted this, don't think it was like this in the early days. I said I wouldn't care if they banned cigarettes period..to me tobacco companies have made these into an addicted drug..so only to increase their sales...but the thing to be smart is never smoke and never inhale..

                            #7.14 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:56 PM EST
                            BB-375952

                            bore-head

                            Whatever you do, BB, live a little. You need a tune up!

                            So because I don't do any of the things mentioned here....I need to live a little? I stressed that I don't do these things so hopefully I will live a little longer. Who knows...I could get into a car accident by someone drinking or smoking pot and there I am, either dead or maimed from others living a little.

                              #7.15 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:59 PM EST
                              bore-head007

                              ..I could get into a car accident by someone drinking or smoking pot and there I am, either dead or maimed from others living a little.

                              If I were a betting man, I'd bet on the drunk taking you out. Most potheads drive slow, and are concient of their actions. And besides, these activities should be enjoyed in the proper time and place. The Highway is not the place.

                              Besides, you're lucky! Nothing like that will happen, and you'll live to be 97!

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.16 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:23 PM EST
                              BB-375952

                              Most potheads drive slow, and are concient

                              I always wonder just how conscious they are....won't you agree that they are in a state of "I don't care".

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.17 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM EST
                              bore-head007

                              Not at all. If anything they are overly cautious. Where a drunk is just sloppy.

                              I find it interesting that whenever there's a bust, the federalise always call it high grade marijuana. bore-heads question is, which one of those clowns tried it to confirm that description. Theres plenty of junk around that may look like it, smell like it, taste like it, but be just that. Junk.

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.18 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:55 PM EST
                              Angry Left-532262

                              It depends on what you are smoking....

                              Sativa are good energetic highs. Indica are the droopy slow kinda highs.

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.19 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:58 PM EST
                              Stand up, speak out

                              Never ever have I doubted this, don't think it was like this in the early days. I said I wouldn't care if they banned cigarettes period..to me tobacco companies have made these into an addicted drug..so only to increase their sales...but the thing to be smart is never smoke and never inhale..

                              The point is, why is marijuana illegal? The answer. Corporate America controlling our lives and yes, while I agree that both major parties are in bed with big business I think it's personally irresponsible to deny that the Republican party is much more corporate friendly than the Democratic party. The sooner you folks wake up to this reality the sooner the chance of things getting better for all of us comes.

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.20 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:24 PM EST
                              Spooky Boyfriend

                              I experience pronoia, the sense the world and/or the natural and supernatural and extranatural forces are here to help me.

                              It's called "weed" by many folk. Do you know why? 'Cause you can throw a few seeds in the dirt by the culvert and it will grow a plant that soothes the soul and peacens the spirit.

                              • 3 votes
                              #7.21 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:59 PM EST
                              Ix chel

                              guys, it isn´t a good idea to drive when you are high and it is even stupider to drive drunk...don´t drive under the influence of anything..you might think you are ok but your reaction time is what counts in the long run and face it those who are high on pot have slower reaction times than those who are not...

                              BB, my bets are if you found yourself wtih a serious case of cancer and could not eat jack because you are hawking up everything you swallow from the chemo or you find yourself with glaucoma you might find you are smoking pot then..or cooking it brownies...you don´t have to smoke it..and I don´t do it either, but my momma damn sure did while she was suffering with terminal cancer and if it comes down to suffering or being a little more comfortable by using the marijuana I am betting you pick the marijuana. A person doesn´t have to be an addict or get drunk..I occasionally drink, I never get drunk...well once I got drunk, but it was forgivable, my son had just left to Afghanistan and I was scared out of my goard for him and the crap he was getting himself into, but I didn´t go anywhere, I stayed home and drank an entire fifth of tequila..probably a damn lucky I didn´t poison myself, but it killed for the moment what I was dealing with and allowed me to do what I refused to do..cry and let it out because it hurt...after that I was able to sleep, get up in the mornings and get on with day to day life facing the fact that my oldest son was in incredible danger that I could not save him from...and he still is. I am not an alcoholic..after all it was the first time I had been actually drunk since I was 22 years old and I am 39 and I have never smoked pot or did other drugs in my life(except morphine after an accident that was given in a drip at a hospital), but I damn sure bought pot for my momma and would do it again...wanna bet you would to if it came down to it?

                              • 5 votes
                              #7.22 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:06 PM EST
                              BB-375952

                              Ix chel

                              my bets are if you found yourself wtih a serious case of cancer

                              You don't know me or what I have been through in my life and I want be telling either...so don't start judging me

                              . I am not judging anyone on Medical Marijuana who are seriously ill , but now you can get it for a sprained ankle...I also don't blame you for drinking when your son went off to war...that is not what I am talking about.

                              You know never mind.

                                #7.23 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:03 PM EST
                                Ix chel

                                never mind eh? Yet throughout this thread you have been advocating for it to be kept illegal and in your own post you just acknowledged that it can be prescribed...and no it isn´t prescribed for a sprained ankle either so you are being a bit dramatic there...the studies that have verified benefit of THC were quoted for you..the disorders and diseases it is used for where listed for you..those are where actual studies have been done...yes it is even a treatment for asthma. I can tell you that I know enough about what happens to judge...because I was a never person as well until my momma got cancer...then guess what I became a let me find it even if I go to jail for it person...to get her the relief she needed.

                                • 3 votes
                                #7.24 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:55 PM EST
                                BB-375952

                                People are getting legalized marijuana as well as prescribed Oxycontin and selling it out of their homes, cars and streets...anyone can get the drug of their choice.

                                  #7.25 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:20 AM EST
                                  Ix chel

                                  that is because those drugs are illegal for others to use..so therefore it should be legal...if it is legal you won´t have truly evil maniacs like the Zetas trying to bring it to the US...in fact in Mexico a 300 million dollar load of marijuana was busted right almost to the border....and it was controlled by no other than one of the wealthiest drug king pins in history Joaquin Chapo Guzman...this man is among the wealthiest men in the world...do you really think you are going to stop it? He has an army better equipped than the Mexican army in its entirety.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #7.26 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:32 AM EST
                                  BB-375952

                                  Ix chel

                                  I didn't see a comment on the link I posted here it is again.

                                  http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20080602/marijuana-use-may-shrink-the-brain

                                    #7.27 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:53 AM EST
                                    Ix chel

                                    the problem with your study is written right in it..1, there is not enough research for any conclusive evidence..and they certainly can´t make statements of conclusiveness with a study from that few of people...and without knowing other factors involved...like does the person drink heavily?..and you said brain cells...this doesn´t say anything about brain cells this refers to the memory portion of the brain and emotion....but other studies refute this and with there being over 15 million regular users in the US..I would say a study of 31 people is not enough evidence of anything...especially when the only thing they did was take a brain scan and not figure on whether something else affected the person...like do they do other drugs, do they drink heavy? What other kinds of meds do they take...does their family have a history of problems like Alzheimers or mental defect?

                                    With nearly 15 million Americans using cannabis in a given month, 3.4 million using cannabis daily for 12 months or more and 2.1 million commencing use every year, there is a clear need to conduct robust investigations that elucidate the long-term sequelae of long-term cannabis use," they write.

                                    In the study, researchers used high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging to compare the brain structure of 15 men who smoked more than five joints of marijuana daily for more than 10 years with images from 16 men who did not smoke pot.

                                    and you ignore this study from the same site...

                                    http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

                                    Long-term and even daily marijuana use doesn't appear to cause permanent brain damage, adding to evidence that it can be a safe and effective treatment for a wide range of diseases, say researchers.

                                    In those studies, some 700 regular marijuana users were compared with 484 non-users on various aspects of brain function -- including reaction time, language and motor skills, reasoning ability, memory, and the ability to learn new information.

                                    We were somewhat surprised by our finding, especially since there's been a controversy for some years on whether long-term cannabis use causes brain damage," says lead researcher and psychiatrist Igor Grant, MD.

                                    I suppose we expected to see some differences in people who were heavy users, but in fact the differences were very minimal."

                                    The marijuana users in those 15 studies -- which lasted between three months to more than 13 years -- had smoked marijuana several times a week or month or daily. Still, researchers say impairments were less than what is typically found from using alcohol or other drugs.

                                    "All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.

                                    "However, there might be a different set of circumstances to a 12-year-old whose nervous system is still developing."

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #7.28 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:09 AM EST
                                    BB-375952

                                    You wouldn't believe it because you don't want to believe it you what they say about "denial'?

                                    I understand all of you who smoke pot ( and on this seed it is obvious who you are) are not going to agree with me or any study that proves Marijuana can be harmful...NO, if you are OLD and suffering from Glaucoma or dying with Cancer I agree no harm done to you...same as xanax and other nerve drugs...but make Marijuana Legal and guess who gets their hands on...you got it the 12 yr old kids and all teens and adults,who want to walk around in a stupor...it was so funny when the commenter on here said, people who drive and smoke pot aren't dangerous driver because they drive slow...I couldn't respond to it because I was on the floor laughing at the ridiculous comment...of course they drive slow...their brain is stoned and their reactions are slow...LMAO

                                    btw, do you want to meet driver of a Semi on the road and him smoking a joint. I know I don't.

                                      #7.29 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:34 AM EST
                                      bore-head007

                                      BB, hope you're having a good morning.

                                      Your observations, and random notions are a bi product of what you choose to believe, and no one can give you enough information to, at the very least,give you some insight to the ignorant opinions that you carry. You obviously have it in your narrow perspective, to not look beyond what you firmly believe.

                                      You can only lead them to water, but you can't make them drink!

                                      If you believe that legalizing pot will make it easier for a twelve year old to get their mitts on it, you are mistaken. They already have it at their disposal, through the black market that you, and the shrinking number of antis, have created.

                                      I'll bet you are an interesting person to have a face to face discussion with!

                                      Like I said earlier. Like my ex. Perfect.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #7.30 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:56 AM EST
                                      Ix chel

                                      do you want to meet driver of a Semi on the road and him smoking a joint. I know I don't.

                                      You do realize that there are laws in place for this and no one is calling for a removal of laws of driving under the influence right? Alcohol is legal...do you want to meet a trucker or a car for that matter that has gotten sloppy drunk? Do you want to come upon a driver that is taking legal speed(no doze)? and it happens, but you know what..that is why truckers have weigh stations and are exposed to being drug tested on the side of the road during an inspection and frequently are....do you really think that making it legal is going to lead to more folks driving under the influence when we already have 31 million regular users of marijuana? In fact, it might educate more folks about the dangers of driving under the influence and lead to LESS infractions via education. That said, my husband and I owned a trucking company for 16 years..we are in the winding down stage of the company though and are in the process of trying to sell it since we want to retire here in Honduras and raise coffee and cattle both dairy and beef....my husband never drives under the influence of anything, not even cold meds because he is subject to federal laws on that and it is zero tolerance and any infraction will cost him his CDL and his job for a very very long time..not to mention we would lose our ICC number and DOT authority. So I find it hillarious you picked out truckers to demonize when you are much less likely to encounter a trucker under the influence than you are a regular motorist.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #7.31 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:26 AM EST
                                      Spooky Boyfriend

                                      Yo BB, history is just one damn thing after another. There is a causal chain of actions and re-actions and we all need our narrative to make sense of our lives. Normative signifigance. Destiny.

                                      Weird, eh?

                                      My point, whilst rambling through the brambles, is there are far greater villians than this particular "William of the Hills".

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #7.32 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:30 PM EST
                                      Angry Left-532262

                                      "Marijuana Use May Shrink the Brain"

                                      Without listing my whole CV on Newsvine, I have the following initials at the end of my name.....and I smoke(d) weed everyday while earning every one of them and still do.

                                      I've never beaten anyone up, never robbed anyone, never killed anyone, never lost a house, wife car or kids and have laughed my ass everyday while doing it.

                                      B.S, R.LATG, M.PH, DVM, D.ACLAM.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #7.33 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:35 PM EST
                                      BB-375952

                                      I think y'all are so full of it that it isn't funny...I guess if I smoked it I would be like all of you want it legalized so I wouldn't have to go to the slimy neighborhoods, or behind buildings to get my "weed" or spend my money to those who sells you some junk. Do you think that if it is legalized you could still grow your own...Don't you know the Gov. will want to earn all proceeds...like you still can't make your own booze and sell it...not even wine. Happy smoking y'all

                                        #7.34 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:52 PM EST
                                        Angry Left-532262

                                        like you still can't make your own booze and sell it.

                                        You cant sell it but you are allowed to make 5 gallons a year for personal use. With 2 of us we get 10 gallons a year....almost a gallon of wine a month to drink. I never buy anything but ingredients, never that store bought stuff.

                                        I would be totally happy just smoking what I grow...I don't need or want to sell it.

                                        I still have some Blueberry Mead we made.....I'd gladly give you a bottle.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #7.35 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:54 PM EST
                                        bore-head007

                                        Here ya go, BB, an old country classic!

                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyY-6oh0Ow8

                                          #7.36 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:37 PM EST
                                          BB-375952

                                          Bore-head

                                          Made up junk, probably by a junkie no doubt...Smoke until your brain shrinks. LMAO

                                            #7.37 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:49 PM EST
                                            bore-head007

                                            You didn't even listen to it.

                                            What makes you think I smoke? Did I tell you that I do It? Oh! You ASSume I do.

                                            Yes,you are a very very intelligent individual. I am no less than impressed with your intellect. I had to go to your column and become enlightened to what a deep thinker you are. Very impressive.

                                            No wonder this world is so @!$%#ed up.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #7.38 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:07 PM EST
                                            BB-375952

                                            Thank you BORE

                                              #7.39 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:13 PM EST
                                              Spooky Boyfriend

                                              *harph*

                                              ...but everything don't mean a thing if it ain't the thing you want.

                                              Yo, straight-edge, keep on rockin' in the free world!

                                                #7.40 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:49 PM EST
                                                heather rowles

                                                BB- I think you've sucked up too many petro-chemical fumes. It's a proven fact that those fumes can cause cancer, problems with memory and the processing of information, kidney failure, liver failure, lung problems, sleep-disorders, and the list goes on ad infinitum. Your mind is failing to function like a parachute and be open to something other than the rhetoric that you've been happily swallowing for the majority of your life. It seems like it's much easier for you to find 7000 excuses why something MIGHT be wrong instead of one solid reason it might be right. Don't judge others until you've walked a mile in their shoes. And for your info, people who smoke pot for valid medical reasons DON'T GET HIGH. It doesn't effect us the same way it does recreational users. It takes away my leg cramps and allows me to walk. It also stimulates my appetite but I'm not high. I was one of the first 200 people in the state of Oregon to be legal. I was so sick when I applied that I had a reply within a week of submitting my application. Do you know what would happen if I used the standard pharmaceuticals? I would die of complete system failure. I've already done it once. Should I do it again to prove my point? Are you going to have the audacity to say people should sacrifice their lives rather than smoke pot?

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #7.41 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:15 AM EST
                                                bore-head007

                                                heather, I said earlier, you can only lead 'em to water...............

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #7.42 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:41 AM EST
                                                heather rowles

                                                Oh but they are drinking, bore-head. They're drinking in every bit of the propaganda and lies fed them over the course of their lives and swallowing the many absurdities hook line and sinker. Ignorance such as theirs is absolutely deadly, as it displays an inability for deep thought, and an attention span approximately that of the length of a sound-bite. These are the people who think they are examples of American Exceptionalism. And they are...exceptionally naive and lacking basic intellect. These are the people who believe Rush Lamebaugh and Scarah Failin, two of the most paranoid people in this coumtry. Wow, wow, wow! Someone save me from those who are unable to think for themselves!

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #7.43 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:01 AM EST
                                                bore-head007

                                                You are so correct, heather. The dialogue of this thread shows how true your words are.

                                                There are those that drink that bogus info, and are left to reason out the info in their own minds. From this thread you can see that there are those that are incapable of sorting thru fact, or fiction. Some are just @!$%#s that like to taunt, and bait people to inflame them, and drag an insult out of them. I do my best to not fall into the trap, and would prefer to show a bit of sarcasm. They should be able to figure it out, but, as shown, some never will!

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #7.44 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:17 AM EST
                                                Ix chel

                                                Bore, yeah sort of like BB believing that a study of 31 people who had a brain scan is conclusive evidence even though the report itself said there was no conclusive evidence (not to mention that likely the cause of any brain problems was drinking not marijuana) especially when I provide a study of over 700 people and she just discounted it as if it did not exist..especially when it did not fit BB´s agenda...I suspect that BB must make money of drugs staying illegal because she too readily discounts medical studies that are real and conclusive.

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #7.45 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:43 AM EST
                                                BB-375952

                                                .I suspect that BB must make money of drugs staying illegal because she too readily discounts medical studies that are real and conclusive.

                                                The subject was the guy on the lam, not me wanting Marijuana be kept illegal. You have legal medical marijuana what else do you want? I know you want it to be legal to be a pot head...this cry for medical purposes is a bunch of crock.

                                                  #7.46 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:31 AM EST
                                                  Ix chel

                                                  To be a pot head? I have never smoked or used drugs in my life...lmao..I just happen to live in the middle of the drug war and am tired of people dying for crap like what you are spouting..it isn´t your business what people do with thier own bodies...do you also spy on your neighbors?

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  #7.47 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:05 AM EST
                                                  BB-375952

                                                  I have never smoked or used drugs in my life.

                                                  guess you fooled me..LOL

                                                  drug war and am tired of people dying for crap like what you are spouting.

                                                  and you think that legalizing Marijuana is going to fix everything...you are wrong. You want cocaine legal too?

                                                  I am really not spouting anything...It started off me saying I don't drink and do not do drugs of any kind and I also think this guy should have to pay for his crimes, remember he did break the law, and a law is a law...I don't care if it is a speeding ticket, it must be paid. I also said he can plant it all over the USA if it is made legal and if that happens there will be no more Potatoes and Corn planted..Or maybe the government will issue land to plant weed on. LMAO.. You are encouraging people to break a law and run and get a way with it...and because this is POT, he should be left a lone. I agree if a small amount of pot is found not jail time, but a fine. The jails are full with idiots already.

                                                  I lost the posting where you said you one time lived down the street from Bush or his parents..what and how does that make you know him and him being a drunk and you voted for him twice...Something about that I don't understand. I believe GWB to be a good man and also his parents are good people

                                                  I live down the street from a kid who started smoking pot and then graduated to coke then turned to crack or meth, which ever the one that rots your teeth out...and he has been in and out of Prison his dad had a stroke and died and his mother, I have just found out ,is losing her home because of having to pay his lawyers and etc. she has mortgaged her home so she can't make the payments ,and she has a good job. Now all this started from SMOKING POT. This MAN has at one time had a good job had a nice home and a family now it is all gone and he can't seem to give up his addiction. His Mother has passed her mid-sixties and she is the one suffering and of course he has to live with her...because he is sorry as sh*t.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #7.48 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:07 PM EST
                                                  bore-head007

                                                  Got news for ya, BB, cigarettes are the gateway drug.

                                                  • 5 votes
                                                  #7.49 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST
                                                  Stand up, speak out

                                                  True, bore, and as I've mentioned elsewhere, it's not the nicotine. It's the adulterants.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #7.50 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:28 PM EST
                                                  I'm Ringo

                                                  Illegal? Helping slaves escape was illegal as well. Just goes to show that legal doesn't mean good and illegal doesn't mean bad.

                                                  • 4 votes
                                                  #7.51 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:32 PM EST
                                                  BB-375952

                                                  Got news for ya, BB, cigarettes are the gateway drug.

                                                  I will say you are not entirely wrong with this...tobacco and the enhancements that I believe are placed in cigarettes will promote other drugs...but odd this kid wasn't a smoker, but his Mom one time did smoke and heavy and she stopped cold turkey and never smoked another one and this has been 20 years ago. I never tried smoking both my parents smoked, my father died of cancer and my mother died with lung cancer related to cigarette smoking.

                                                  http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/decline-in-cigarette-smoking-in-offset-by-use-of-other-tobacco-products.html

                                                    #7.52 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:33 PM EST
                                                    Stand up, speak out

                                                    I suspect the Tobacco industry wasn't doing 20 years ago what they're doing today. What is that word, uhh, uhh, oh yeah, deregulation.

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #7.53 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:56 PM EST
                                                    BB-375952

                                                    I suspect the Tobacco industry wasn't doing 20 years ago what they're doing today.

                                                    You are right..but none the less cigarette smoking was, and is an addiction, and 50 + years ago it was also considered glamorous.

                                                      #7.54 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:52 PM EST
                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                      Correct. And I find it a little interesting that alcohol seems to have been teetering on the fence of glamour vs vilification for a number of years now. I don't know what made me bring this up. It's just something that came to mind.

                                                        #7.55 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:23 PM EST
                                                        BB-375952

                                                        I find it a little interesting that alcohol seems to have been teetering on the fence of glamour vs vilification for a number of years now.

                                                        I agree. I like to watch the late 30's and 40's movies and of course the smoking and drinking were always done to look glamorous. Abuse of Alcohol and alcohol related abusive behavior also shown in the early films and later films...so as in our daily lives.

                                                          #7.56 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:02 PM EST
                                                          bore-head007

                                                          Pots much safer. At least you won't pass out, and freeze to death, in a snow bank.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #7.57 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:08 PM EST
                                                          Stand up, speak out

                                                          But it did make me miss an exit on an interstate highway once. Or maybe it was the loud music. Yeah, I'll go with loud music as the culprit.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #7.58 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:53 PM EST
                                                          Ix chel

                                                          BB, try to sell that story of how it is a good thing for them to be illegal to the 15 people massacred here in a soccer field because they went after 1 confidential informant at that soccer field...try to tell that to the 17 people murdered that worked in a shoe factory because their boss was involved in trafficking...legalize it..and no you were the one that does not pay attention so there is no way if you had read my posts completely that you would think I was a ´pot head` because I have said several times that I do not use any drugs, but that after supporting zero tolerance and the drug war for many years my position changed after my mother suffered and died from terminal cancer and her relief was marijuana and even more so after living here where I have watched countless innocent people be murdered over trafficking to the US..it isn´t going to stop BB anymore than prohibition stopped alcohol..what happened is that prohibition cost lives and gave rise to the mafia, just like prohibition of drugs that were legal for many decades and then prohibited gave rise to the cartel. Don´t tell me you are blind enough to think we are winning the drug war either...because I will give you some inside information that I know from someone who I have spoken to on the inside of the cartel..(not hard to know someone in the cartel here) he said for every load that they catch(DEA) there are 10 loads that go by them that are even bigger...even more interesting was he said that about half of the DEA agents assist them in trafficking and are on the payroll as well as Border agents...if you really think we are going to win this thing you are kidding yourself..just hope that the drug war doesn´t move into the US because they are certainly planning on just that.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #7.59 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:11 PM EST
                                                          heather rowles

                                                          lx- I take it you're from south of the border. I'm a little farther north on the Oregon coast. I've been watching with interest as the drug war has escalated. Over 30k mostly innocent lives lost due to drugs in just the last few years. Weed isn't even close to the problem. Meth and the mexi black tar heroin are. An 80% purity level in the heroin. Wow! We've had addicts keel over and die here in Oregon. The problem here is the border brothers who've come north to set up shop. They aren't growing weed. They're cooking dope. I bet you're just as aware as I that even though the US has put controls on the chemicals used for manufacturing, those same chemicals are coming over the border on a regular basis. The drug war has moved to the US already. How about the shootings in El Paso? Let's not forget all those weapons being legally purchased here in the US that are going across the border to arm the cartels.

                                                          BB- You need to update your info. A recent study found that pot is NOT a gateway drug. It's cigarettes and alcohol. Before you climb on your high horse of indignation, you need to ask yourself how many closet addicts you know and I bet it's a bunch. By addicts, I mean those who are obese from a food addiction, the lovable binge-drinking accountant next door, the secretary who just can't get her smile on until she's popped the prescription upper her doctor gave her. Earlier in the discussion you mentioned oxycontin. Are you aware it's the most abused prescription in the US, that it's called hillbilly heroin? Are you aware it's become such a scourge that it's formula has been re-worked so addicts can't do anything more than swallow it. I've seen people smoke, snort, and slam that crap. Pill-poppers are the most dangerous people I know. I've seen just about every kind of abuser there is and I'd rather deal with a stoner than anyone else. Most people who use illegal or illegally obtained drugs are self-medicating for one reason or another. Most have mental-health issues that won't be addressed until they get locked up. How do I know this? It might have something to do with the recovering meth addict sleeping on my couch. I knew she had problems and my personal diagnosis was confirmed when she was arrested and evaluated. Now that she knows what her issues are, she's ready to address them. This person is not evil, mean-spirited or in any way bad. She went through hell as a kid and young adult, turned to drugs, and kept at it until a couple of months ago. That's how life is for a lot of these people. You need to attend an AA or NA meeting so you can understand rather than condemn.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #7.60 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:45 PM EST
                                                          BB-375952

                                                          heather rowles

                                                          You don't read all the posting do you...I have no more to say to you or anyone else on this issue...you all so want your drug of choice go for it.

                                                            #7.61 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:49 PM EST
                                                            Ix chel

                                                            Heather I am in Honduras so yeah south, south of the border. I am a US ex pat living over here...they just had a military operation where they had to remove a guerilla rebel camp that was terrorizing an entire region here, raping, robbing, mudering, trafficking drugs, etc..they had the people living in sheer terror and it isn´t going to stop and you are right..it isn´t just about pot.

                                                            BB, some of us live in the real world..it doesn´t mean that a person is using drugs because they are for legalization..it means we are tired of our government spending 69 billion dollars a year for a war that is not reducing the amount of drugs or reducing the danger to innocent folks...and 30k dead is way to high a price to pay..especially when it is people who have not a damn thing to do with our god forsaken wars...and that is just the number in Mexico...no mention of the rest of those killed for the damn drug war in the other countries we have our DEA agents in. Also, you evidently aren´t aware of the CIA (our government) has trafficked drugs into the US since the 80s....

                                                            • 3 votes
                                                            #7.62 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:21 PM EST
                                                            BB-375952

                                                            I don't want it legalized...I don't want to say OK to do drugs. I want to say NO to drugs..Next thing you want is to legalize Cocaine..because of drug trafficking.When does it stop...Oh, should we legalize Heroin while we are at it...People street sale anything they can get and it will always be that way.

                                                              #7.63 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:59 PM EST
                                                              Ix chel

                                                              BB, I want to legalize all drugs..even cocaine...we use cocaine in eye surgery right now..we use methamphetamine in children...we use opiates in surgery and in pain relief as well..no one says that if you legalize drugs that it is ok, there is something called stigma that you attach to it...would you say it is ok according to society to be an alcoholic? No, of course not...is it ok in your opinion to smoke cigs in society today? No, most people say it is a nasty filthy habit and those who do it stink to high heaven...it isn´t acceptable, but it is legal...and if you made it illegal they would traffic it and kill people over cigarettes and alcohol..been there and done that...so yeah I want it all legal..I tired of people dying for a failed drug war that doesn´t keep drugs from anyone...in fact when the drug war started 1% of people used drugs..now almost 5% use them...yeah some drug war...more people get them instead of less.

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #7.64 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:09 PM EST
                                                              bore-head007

                                                              Legalize, and tax Mary.

                                                                #7.65 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:14 PM EST
                                                                Ix chel

                                                                and BB, I didn´t get this in before the time thing went up..but I sure hope you don´t drink coca cola...if you do then every time you are drinking it you drink coca(cocaine) leaves...

                                                                To this day, Coca-Cola uses a United States license to purify the coca leaf for medicinal use.

                                                                Because cocaine is naturally present in coca leaves, today's Coca-Cola uses "spent," or treated, coca leaves, those that have been through a cocaine extraction process, to flavor the beverage

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #7.66 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:20 PM EST
                                                                BB-375952

                                                                Ix chel

                                                                You live in a dream world, IMO. I had a morphine drip before, but doesn't mean I should be able to go out and get on whim, because I want to feel numb.

                                                                  #7.67 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:22 PM EST
                                                                  bore-head007

                                                                  BB, we agree on something! 100% on this point. Some things in this world are a litte rougher than others, and hard drugs, such as yer morphine drip, should not be readily available. Cocaine, or meth or horse or the cracker. Not legalizing Pot, only gives these cats that retire after twenty years of service, a reason to Cherry Pick the pot, where a person becomes easy going when they use it.All the while we got submarines from Banana Republics, shipping 'caine to our shores. If they want to win the losing, war on drugs, sensible concessions should be made to unburden the system. Any one reading this that would claim to know their way around in the drug world, knows the effects of these substances, and the death and destruction of friggin real drugs. If you don't know, watch Intervention. There are idiots walking around with back packs, cookin crack in Pepsi battles, that are volatile. Just thinkin, BB, I've watched people I've known for twenty years or better, that have cracked their good lifes to Hell. Losing all the fruits of their labors. One acquaintance popped his top, with a shotgun. Legalize Mary, take some of the proceeds from the taxes, and fund the drug war, and rid the streets of real poison. Some Payroll Patriot, that "retires" after twenty, I want him to be effective, and doing what hay farmers do, ain't what I'm thinkin.

                                                                  Oh! a SHOUT OUT for the prescription drugs, the latest tragedy. Can't forget those.

                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                  #7.68 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:45 PM EST
                                                                  BB-375952

                                                                  COCA(ine)-COLA(kola, the other main ingredient, the source of caffeine in the soda.)....

                                                                  up until 1903 coke contained an estimated 9 milligrams of cocaine per glass. that is not much really at all, if you've ever tried the stuff. you'd have to drink quite a bit to get a high, though in my opinion that little bit may have triggered an insentive in peoples brains to want more soda. good marketing!

                                                                  coke still uses a "cocaine free" coca leaf extract for flavor.

                                                                  side bar: they get their "cocaine free" coca leaves from the Stepan Company, which also extracts cocaine from the coca leaves to sell to a pharmaceutical company to purify the drug for medicinal use. it's the only company in the USA licensed to do so.

                                                                    #7.69 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 8:23 PM EST
                                                                    Ix chel

                                                                    cocaine occurs naturally in the leaves BB, they don´t get it all out..thus the real reason people get headaches when they don´t get thier fix of coca cola...and did you notice that they sell it to pharmaceutical companies...so what does that tell you? That cocaine has medical uses...

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    #7.70 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 11:29 PM EST
                                                                    BB-375952

                                                                    lx chel

                                                                    I drink diet caffeine free coke...I may drink them for a few days and then not drink one for a week...I do not get a headache nor do I get a headache if I don't drink coffee, because I drink decaffeinated coffee...so I think you have an ingredient mix-up.

                                                                    and did you notice that they sell it to pharmaceutical companies...

                                                                    I did read the entire article...you still are not accurate..not even enough cocaine when it once was an added ingredient to make people notice...Please let me inform you if it were a cocaine product, the government would not let "coca cola" be on the market.

                                                                      #7.71 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:51 AM EST
                                                                      Ix chel

                                                                      um BB, no I don´t have anything mixed up...coke, whether caffeine free or not is still made from coca leaves..all coca cola is..diet, caffeine free, and regular. Coffee is still made from coffee beans regardless and since I know something about coffee beans(I raise them) yeah it is still just coffee..and there is still caffeine in even what is labled caffeine free..it is just a lot smaller amount.

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decaffeination

                                                                      Despite removal of caffeine, many decaffeinated drinks still have around 1-2% of the original caffeine remaining in them.

                                                                      ...Please let me inform you if it were a cocaine product, the government would not let "coca cola" be on the market.

                                                                      Yeah just like they didn´t let the CIA traffick drugs into the US all those decades and protecting the cartel...you are really naive if you think the government gives a damn..

                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                      #7.72 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:34 PM EST
                                                                      KobalDeleted
                                                                      BB-375952

                                                                      I don´t have anything mixed up...coke, whether caffeine free or not is still made from coca leaves.

                                                                      I am telling you I do not get a headache if I miss drinking a coke for a day or a week...You are claiming that people get headaches because of missing their dose of Cocaine when they do not have their coca cola of the day...If the medical profession needs their cocaine, they will get it, I guess, (by your words), but it doesn't mean it needs to bought at the grocery store or liquor store, or where ever, because you want it legalized.

                                                                      just like they didn´t let the CIA traffick drugs into the US all those decades and protecting the cartel...you are really naive if you think the government gives a damn..

                                                                      Then why was cocaine taken out of Coca Cola in 1903? I love how the left want Drugs to be legalized...I guess they want to go through life numb at the situation we are in.

                                                                        #7.74 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:32 PM EST
                                                                        Angry Left-532262

                                                                        BB, I don't agree with you but want to ask you a legitimate question. Not attacking or disrespecting or anything....

                                                                        Since you feel how you do about marijuana and other "drugs" do you also support alcohol prohibition?

                                                                        If not why not? How is alcohol any better than marijuana?

                                                                        Honest questioning...I'm just trying to understand your side.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #7.75 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:37 PM EST
                                                                        Stand up, speak out

                                                                        I'm wondering how BB comes to this conclusion since he/she has never used any drugs.

                                                                        I guess they want to go through life numb at the situation we are in.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #7.76 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:43 PM EST
                                                                        BB-375952

                                                                        Since you feel how you do about marijuana and other "drugs" do you also support alcohol prohibition?

                                                                        Angry

                                                                        I can tell you now...If I had been old enough at the time to give my opinion when they were tearing down the moonshine stills, I would say tear them down...of course people are still making moonshine, it is illegal of course, but if they are caught pay the penalty what ever it is...However, as I have said I don't drink, but I have seen alcohol mess up many lives and families, so I am not a fan of it. I have a friend now that Alcohol rules their life and is going through therapy and trying to stay away from the booze. I can only hope for success and can get their life back on track. I can say I don't care if the Government taxes it for twice as much as it sells for if the boozers can get their States and Country out of the RED same for cigarettes...Let those who have a weakness keep us afloat...but when you think about it...they get sick with serious conditions and in some cases, the government has to pay for the hospital bill.

                                                                          #7.77 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:42 PM EST
                                                                          BB-375952

                                                                          I'm wondering how BB comes to this conclusion since he/she has never used any drugs.

                                                                          Oh, but I see what drugs and alcohol does to other people...my friends and family members. That is enough to see that I don't want to be addicted to any drug or cigarette. Believe me I have seen enough..I was at a Party once, didn't know Mary was there, but asked why are those folks acting like idiots, then was told they were smoking dope, I left for home...didn't want any part of it. You know if you take away the demand there won't be any need for the availability of it. The cartel won't have anyone to buy their Crap...Oh well that is wishful thinking..especially by reading the comments on here, folks bragging about their stash...

                                                                            #7.78 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:50 PM EST
                                                                            Angry Left-532262

                                                                            BB,

                                                                            Thats fair enough. Like I said I might disagree with you, but at the very least you aren't hypocritical.

                                                                            I am probably slightly biased. My dad was a biker (outlaw not armstrong) and he would get drunk and smack us all around. But when he smoked he would just sit there and it would be a peaceful night for all of us.

                                                                            I smoke pot daily, I'm smoking it medically. I have "undiagnosed nausea". I've taken pills and all kinds of things, nothing works as well as pot. Imagine that feeling you get right before you vomit...then make that feeling last a couple hours... you'd be thankful for some relief.

                                                                            I drink as well, but rarely. I've even done most of the common "harder" drugs. I've never hurt anyone, never robbed anyone, never lost a wife, house, kids, car or job due to drugs or alcohol.

                                                                            I served in the Marine Corps and saw combat. After I got out I got about jack @!$%# as far as "support" goes from the country I served. I managed to get through 8 years of college (BS biology and DVM, not Palin style). I smoked pot to keep my mind "right" enough to get through. I smoked every day and graduated (top half but still graduated). I could never have made it through with out some help...

                                                                            Now I have an old lady, my own place, some retirement property I am developing, 2 small businesses and serve as the Director of Veterinary Services for the city I live in. I accomplished it all while smoking pot. You might consider me weak or whatever for needing a crutch but personally, I am ever thankful to have that crutch and that I never got sent to prison for needing it.

                                                                            • 5 votes
                                                                            #7.79 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 7:51 PM EST
                                                                            Stand up, speak out

                                                                            Oh, but I see what drugs and alcohol does to other people...my friends and family members.

                                                                            While I don't advocate drug or alcohol abuse, one thing I can tell you is, as a matter of fact, is that alcohol and drugs don't affect everyone the same way.

                                                                            • 2 votes
                                                                            #7.80 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:27 PM EST
                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                            Angry Left-532262

                                                                            Thank you for the pleasant response..I wish you the best...I try not to be critical against Medical Marijuana...but you know it will and does get abused...and it is ashame that things like that happen. I believe I have said that I understand people dying with cancer and they need it for pain...I am really all for it, but don't want to be accused of not really knowing where I really stand on this issue. I have found in life there are always exceptions. when I saw the comedian Zack (can't spell his last name) light up a joint on Bill Maher, I know he got a lot of laughs, but I didn't find it funny, because he had it and he doesn't seem ill to me, so how did he get it?

                                                                              #7.81 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:11 PM EST
                                                                              BB-375952

                                                                              Stand up

                                                                              While I don't advocate drug or alcohol abuse, one thing I can tell you is, as a matter of fact, is that alcohol and drugs don't affect everyone the same way.

                                                                              I understand there are those who can drink and not be abusive nor neglect their families, but I am one that has been there and saw that it does..

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #7.82 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:17 PM EST
                                                                              heather rowles

                                                                              That's exactly right, Stand up. Here in my hometown the drug-scourge comes from the tweak, aka meth. Right now as I type this I have a 4 year-old victim of it hanging out in my living room watching Spiderman. He's an awesome little dude and smart as a whip. His mom is off doing her thing, not caring that she's a mom with a job to do at home. My head has nearly exploded from the things I've been hearing about this young lady's life and the insanity taking place under her roof. It was all I could do to not go off like a rocket when the little dude told me someone got him high on pot. No no no! That's wrong in so many ways I can't even begin to describe them. The situation is serious enough that I'm considering taking legal custody of him. If I do that I would also have to leave my beloved hometown because these tweaks will eventually want to take him back into their sick fold. Is it worth it just to save one? Absolutely! It's the ripple effect I'm thinking of. In keeping one person from it, many are saved because the potential addict won't be slinging his stuff their way. I'm not one who wants to save the world. Nor am I the type of person who goes out and saves kids like so many kittens. My kids are grown and I enjoy the freedom that comes from that. I've put in my time, raising decent people and I really thought I was done until I became a grandma. Then this kid came along and my world was turned upside down . Things that were important yesterday don't matter today. Why? Because of a drug that I have never done and never will.

                                                                              On the other hand, I know people who have functioned for decades using meth. They own homes and businesses, pay their taxes and contribute much to this community. I can't fault them in any way.

                                                                              It's all about moderation.

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #7.83 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:19 PM EST
                                                                              heather rowles

                                                                              BB- I was slightly distracted by the little dude. Yes, I read every word written here. I also read my nephew's obituary after he went up to the roof of the tallest building in Provo, Ut and blew his head off. Kevin was 19 with his entire life ahead of him but he was so wrapped up in the drug he couldn't see that. I think it's absolutely perfect you have a poodle. Whether you realise it or not, a lot about a person can be understood by the kind of pet they keep. I usually avoid people who keep addled ankle-biters. Give me a real dog that actually listens when it's talked to, like my Chow. You ASSume people who smoke pot love all drugs. Nothing is further from the truth, not when I'm having to consider starting all over again with a child that is no way related to me. I don't want this kid to wind up on standing on a roof with a .45 like my nephew. The drug war is illogical, it's a waste of money, a waste of lives and a waste of other resources. We have children starving in this country, yet we continue to send money everywhere but to our own citizens who need it. When you get right down to it, the war in Afghanistan is another chapter in the same sad story. We are very busy trying to teach farmers to grow something other than the poppies from which heroin is derived. The Taliban just can't hang with that so they're killing those farmers that want a different life away from the drug trade. Same story, different continent. Instead of Sandanista's, it's militant religious extremists.

                                                                                #7.84 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 10:00 PM EST
                                                                                Stand up, speak out

                                                                                but I am one that has been there and saw that it does..

                                                                                BB and grandma heather, I'm one who has been there and DONE that. Although I was never physically abusive the anguish I caused others is something I'll never forget or forgive myself for. And in trying to make up for what I've done I just got home after speaking with some folks at their group therapy place about alternatives or supplements to AA and NA.

                                                                                However, knowing really first hand what substance abuse can do I'm fully on board with ending the war on marijauna.

                                                                                Feel good stuff, peace my friends

                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                #7.85 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 10:38 PM EST
                                                                                BB-375952

                                                                                Heather

                                                                                I think it's absolutely perfect you have a poodle. Whether you realise it or not, a lot about a person can be understood by the kind of pet they keep. I usually avoid people who keep addled ankle-biters. Give me a real dog that actually listens when it's talked to, like my Chow.

                                                                                You may need to explain the above to me.

                                                                                You ASSume people who smoke pot love all drugs

                                                                                I wasn't, not exactly, someone mentioned to me that all drugs should be legal. I don't agree.

                                                                                We have children starving in this country, yet we continue to send money everywhere but to our own citizens who need it.

                                                                                Now this we can agree.

                                                                                I am sorry about your nephew...I just know too many lives have been destroyed by drugs and yes, even alcohol, I am one of them...so to make it more available I believe more people lives will be destroyed. I don't like the drug wars that go on...again and I say it is those who want the drug are responsible, if the demand wasn't there the Cartel wouldn't exist. But, again as i said in another posting that is just dreaming..I can't see any drug that is mind altering available just to go in a store and buy...anyone can buy it for a child...you know like they have done for years with cigarettes, and yes alcohol. Older people today will tell you they started smoking at 12 years old...ask for the old stories.

                                                                                  #7.86 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 10:48 PM EST
                                                                                  Ix chel

                                                                                  BB, you say you hae seen what it can do..but tell me one thing..what has it being illegal done for stopping any of these people from doing it? nothing. Whereas, if it were legal they might be more inclined to get help, especially if we focus on rehab and education instead of prohibition and jail. People are afraid if they go get help they will go to jail...so they don´t get help. Keeping it illegal hasn´t saved any of these families or any of these people..what keeping it illegal has done though is take thousands of lives and cause a country to fall into chaos and is quickly taking several others with it. When our own government assisted in trafficking drugs with the cartel it bothers me that we keep it illegal. No more people are going to use drugs than use them now...in fact, less usually use drugs and people seek treatment if it is legal. There isn´t quite the stigma of looking for an AA meeting that there is with looking for a narcotics anonymous meeting..people are scared if they expose the fact they do something illegal they will go to jail..if it becomes legal they get the help they need.

                                                                                  • 3 votes
                                                                                  #7.87 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 12:12 AM EST
                                                                                  BB-375952

                                                                                  Stand up, speak out

                                                                                  Looks like you are doing something good now...I only hope that people actually listen to you. I am sure most may not, but as they say if can reach one, you have been successful. I am not the only one that thinks Marijuana shouldn't be legal...the important ones sitting in Congress must agree or the law would be passed. I do feel that one day, but not in the near future, that it will be. Government is getting (soft) lenient in passing laws and so wrapped up in PC that is scary. People without citizenship are going to have the same rights as Americans do, if not more rights. So if we straighten out illegal immigration that would also be a start in drugs coming into our Country.

                                                                                    #7.88 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:13 AM EST
                                                                                    BB-375952

                                                                                    Ix chel

                                                                                    First of all, I never knew that you could get arrested for admitting you have a drug Problem. I do know I have been in a place where people were in a long line to get a drug to get over another drug. Even heard one guy say to another in line, that his girl friend doesn't like him getting the shot to get over the drug, because he should get through it on his own and not rely on another drug.

                                                                                    Well as I said to stand up, I fear one day it will be legal, and unlike you I don't think that it will curtail the drug problem, but I agree some enjoy the excitement and the fear of buying the illegal stuff, but once you have tried it you don't usually stop it. And you don't usually go to jail for the small find, the Police are more interested in the people who are pushing the crap than the one being caught with a small amount. Do you think Willie Nelson cares that he gets caught, nope, he will pay his fine and when that is gone he will get some more. Do you think he would tell where he bought it, nope...never rat on a rat.

                                                                                    I try to imagine what it will be like when the law is passed that all drugs are legal. Does that mean you can grow your own poppies and weed, you can set up your on labs..even design your own hallucination type drug. LSD. I still don't know how the law can be in control of what goes on...yes, I am saying that there will still be something illegal going on.

                                                                                    http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

                                                                                      #7.89 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:32 AM EST
                                                                                      looselucy

                                                                                      BB

                                                                                      "when I saw the comedian Zack (can't spell his last name) light up a joint on Bill Maher, I know he got a lot of laughs, but I didn't find it funny, because he had it and he doesn't seem ill to me, so how did he get it?"

                                                                                      IMO, that is awfully presumptuous of you!! I probably would not "seem ill" to you if you saw me on TV for a couple of minutes, sitting in a chair. Though you may see me wince as I stand up. I am only 39 years old. I was the pedestrian in a vehicle vs pedestrian accident when I was 19 years old. I rolled up on the hood and then was thrown onto my tailbone in the street. I have dealt with low back pain and spasms for my entire adult life, and I have not had health insurance for most of that time either. I am allergic to opiates, (thank God, because after 20 years I'd probably be dying from liver failure or dead from an overdose). I manage OK most of the time, but I am extremely prone to over-exertion, it doesnt take much to put me in bed for days. There are many days when I would not be able to get up and get any work done if I did not have marijuana, and many nights when I would not sleep. My MMJ doctor here in Colorado said I was an ideal candidate for MMJ; my pain will not "go away", as with a broken bone that heals. I am finally "legal" to use what I have known for many years to be the best thing for me. I think that a great many of those who use pot are doing so for medical reasons, but do not live in places where it is legal, have not had insurance to pay for prescriptions or doctor visits, and have had to find something that works for them. Let them have it.

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                                                                                      #7.90 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 9:22 AM EST
                                                                                      Ix chel

                                                                                      BB, the comedian´s name is Zach Galifianakis and how do you know by looking whether he is ill or not? You often cannot see a person´s illness on the outside. I have Lupus and you cannot always see or know by looking at me that I have Lupus while I could use marijuana to deal with this autoimmune disorder I am using other alternative therapies that are working for me...the alternative to the therapies I use are far more dangerous than if I had chosen to use marijuana...the actual therapies include steroids, chemotherapy and other immunosuppresive techniques..which do real damage to the body..much more than marijuana ever would.

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                                                                                      #7.91 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 9:37 AM EST
                                                                                      BB-375952

                                                                                      looselucy

                                                                                      I had just seen him in a movie..of course that was all about smoking pot and making light on the subject. It also showed what could happen if driving while smoking Pot and how second hand fumes can do for you..

                                                                                      As I have said many times, I don't expect all to agree with me especially the pot smokers and drug users..and I don't care.

                                                                                      I think that a great many of those who use pot are doing so for medical reasons, but do not live in places where it is legal

                                                                                      Let me see, do you actually believe that a great amount of people smoke Marijuana are doing so for health purposes...You have got to be kidding...I will bet you that large percentage of the people are using it as a pleasure drug.

                                                                                        #7.92 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 10:48 AM EST
                                                                                        BB-375952

                                                                                        he comedian´s name is Zach Galifianakis and how do you know by looking whether he is ill or not?

                                                                                        Yeh, I know his name, but wasn't exactly sure on the spelling and didn't go to the trouble of looking it up...I saw him in the movie and he was getting around just fine...Have you heard something about his health that I haven't? I think he was just trying to make a point about Medical Marijuana. Especially if you want it you can get it...I think he cheapened the show by lighting up and well, Bill Maher can't look any worse though, he is...Scum..

                                                                                        I wish you and Looselucy the best with your health problems...and whatever it takes for you to tolerate it.

                                                                                          #7.93 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 10:55 AM EST
                                                                                          KobalDeleted
                                                                                          Ix chel

                                                                                          I get around just fine BB...but I still have a chronic condition..Lupus. Do you think you can see things like HIV? Lupus? even Cancer? You can´t see cancer you can see the effects of chemo, but not cancer. Arthritis? Lots of folks suffer from this condition and you don´t always see it. There are a number of medical conditions and I speak to you as a medical professional...that you don´t see. Take for example Magic Johnson...would you know by looking at him that he has AIDS? of course not...but he still has it. You may not recognize that a person has glaucoma either..as that is an eye condition that isn´t really noticible at first and it causes you to go completely blind...and marijuana is considered one of the best treatments for glaucoma. I don´t know what if any condition he has, my point to you was that we don´t know what his medical situation is and you can´t judge by looking at a person if they are sick or not.

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                                                                                          #7.95 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:04 PM EST
                                                                                          BB-375952

                                                                                          I want to ask you, do you know that Zach has a Medical problem? He didn't mention it on the show, or how he Obtained the drug...but I imagine it was easy for him to get, so my point is anyone can get it if they have the money to buy it, so it being for medical reasons only is just an excuse to be able to obtain it, it will not be just for the sick...that is what is wrong with medical Marijuana. Can it be controlled, I don't think so. I want it to be where you have to get it from a Pharmacy and not from a store on the street. There has to be strict regulations...

                                                                                          http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9JSLALG1

                                                                                            #7.96 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:43 PM EST
                                                                                            Ix chel

                                                                                            anyone can get any drug they want right now as it is..this very minute...can marijuana be controlled ? of course it can if it is legal..they control alcohol pretty well. I don´t care if it is regulated to pharmacies, in fact, I already said that once before it should be..and that pharmeceutical companies should be regulated to being those who produce any drugs including marijuana, cocaine, and so forth..and that they should be charged with making anything like heroin less addictive and less dangerous.

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                                                                                            #7.97 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 1:39 AM EST
                                                                                            heather rowles

                                                                                            What it boils down to is pot won't be legalised until the government can figure out how to save face on the subject. Can you imagine the outrage if Washington woke up one morning and did a complete 180? After all the hue and cry over the supposed evils, and the billions of dollars wasted, our government and its leaders would instantly lose whatever shred of credibility that's left in the Capitol. It's all about changing their marketing strategy so people will accept legalisation. That's why it's slowly being eased into Social Security and the VA as benefits. I know plenty of cops on a personal level and they think pot's a waste of their time. The scanners always on so I know the majority of their dealings are with tweakers. The stoners are all home munching 'til the cupboards are bare, watching TV.

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                                                                                            #7.98 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 2:03 AM EST
                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                            The stoners are all home munching 'til the cupboards are bare, watching TV.

                                                                                            Heather you still didn't explain about me having a poodle dog and that by having one it tells you a lot about me...being I never said I had one...at least I don't remember saying it...if you can refresh my memory where I posted it...I did have one about 23 years ago..but she wasn't an ankle biter...goes to show you don't much about animals..Now a silly little Chihuahua, yep, ankle biters and yippers they are. I guess you like the kind of dog that will maul you to death as happened to a child in my town. That is how I compare people with their pets is how they attack others on here on the vine..well, I hadn't until you decided to compare me to one.

                                                                                            btw...about the stoner's munching away...well legalize the "stuff" and you will add to the obesity count in the US...not to mention a host of other problems.

                                                                                              #7.99 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:55 AM EST
                                                                                              looselucy

                                                                                              ...our government and its leaders would instantly lose whatever shred of credibility that's left in the Capitol.

                                                                                              Well then from my observation, I'd have to assume that their gameplan is to get rid of all that nasty credibility by selling it to the highest bidder so they won't have any left to lose when they do the 180 on drugs. Brilliant, and nearly fully realized :)

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                                                                                              #7.100 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 11:36 AM EST
                                                                                              KobalDeleted
                                                                                              heather rowles

                                                                                              Actually BB, I'm a toothpick so I can eat whatever I like. No, my Chow is 13, yet to bite anyone and he has impeccable references. He's often tied outside my neighborhood convenience store where he waits like a gentleman. The poodle reference was in regard to what someone else said in regard to you. You'll please excuse me for not getting right back to you but I've been a little busy caring for a 4 year-old child that isn't mine. He's one of the smaller victims of the futile drug war.

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                                                                                              #7.102 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 6:50 AM EST
                                                                                              heather rowles

                                                                                              Kobal- Keep in mind there are individuals who are unable to use synthesized THC products. Those of us with extreme chemical sensitivities have serious problems metabolising anything that isn't in its whole organic state.

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                                                                                              #7.103 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 6:55 AM EST
                                                                                              BB-375952

                                                                                              so why not the plant form as well. Also, if the pharmaceutical companies would expand then it could add jobs and put more money into the economy. I just hope local growers will have access to the market. If the large corporations take it over then it could make tough for local growers.

                                                                                              I am not sure that plant form would work...and the obvious reason is control. Also, even with prescribe drugs that problem also exist...people complain of their difficult pain, get Oxycontin also in some cases issued by government handout...then that person sells it out of their home and any amount is profit. So explain how you control marijuana when crops are legal? Always a tangled web.

                                                                                                #7.104 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 10:17 AM EST
                                                                                                BB-375952

                                                                                                Heather

                                                                                                You'll please excuse me for not getting right back to you but I've been a little busy caring for a 4 year-old child that isn't mine.

                                                                                                I missed where someone had mentioned the dog "situation" to me...but it doesn't matter, and yes we are all busy with our own schedules and families.

                                                                                                  #7.105 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 11:09 AM EST
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                                                                                                  g washington

                                                                                                  we all need to erase government . government is not needed as they are the world mafia in all countries. we need to take the governments of the world down. after we get rid of government we can start over with a co-operative society and no tax and a society with genuine pay for what is done, not 2 million a week to hit a ball or kick a ball around. or actor pays and politician pays and sport pays. lets get rid of government and start with a clean reality slate.
                                                                                                  hoo-rah for those whom are getting rid of the governments

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                                                                                                  Reply#8 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:59 AM EST
                                                                                                  d1sergo

                                                                                                  A cooperative society with no taxes, where everyone gets paid based on the worth of what they bring in? Sounds like Communism to me.

                                                                                                    #8.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:13 PM EST
                                                                                                    Jim Borst

                                                                                                    A cooperative society with no taxes!?! Sounds more like socialism to me, and I say that in the most admiring of terms. Ain't nothin' wrong with being social.

                                                                                                    Why do you think the government doesn't like pot - the social drug? No, they'd rather promote alcohol and all of it's anti-social behaviors.

                                                                                                    turn on, tune in and turn out!

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                                                                                                    #8.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:41 PM EST
                                                                                                    Padiwak Jones

                                                                                                    Since when does the government promote Alcohol?

                                                                                                      #8.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:44 PM EST
                                                                                                      Jim Borst

                                                                                                      What? You don't think big alcohol and beer companies don't get massive tax breaks? Not to mention that just allowing it to be legal is a form of promotion.

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                                                                                                      #8.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:54 PM EST
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                                                                                                      d1sergo

                                                                                                      Why is our government ruining this man's life again? Give me a moral reason because we all know law != morality anymore.

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                                                                                                      Reply#9 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:12 PM EST
                                                                                                      looselucy

                                                                                                      I want one of those T-shirts. :)

                                                                                                      It is time to end this corrupt government's war on its own people.

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                                                                                                      Reply#10 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:22 PM EST
                                                                                                      Stevie-445471

                                                                                                      While this man may be hero to the locals, they may want to educated themselves about the damage the illegal marijuana farms are doing to the environment. MSNBC has a very informative documentary on the subject. No, this man may not intentionally hurt anyone, but what about the toxins that have released into the water systems?

                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                      Reply#11 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:26 PM EST
                                                                                                      Jim Borst

                                                                                                      As if legal farming operations are any better at protecting the environment - are you serious? That all you got? I suppose tho that, if the marijuana farms were legal than there wouldn't be any damage, right?

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                                                                                                      #11.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:35 PM EST
                                                                                                      Naughtia

                                                                                                      not all marijuana farms use chems and toxins and those same chems and toxins are used in other legal food based farming.

                                                                                                      but once again the problem isnt the farming, but the law. if it was legal, we wouldnt have illegals planting huge fields in middle of our national parks, using what ever chems they wanted. No we could better regulate the farming and make sure they use more environmentally friendly means.

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                                                                                                      #11.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:13 PM EST
                                                                                                      demmywemmy

                                                                                                      I have yet to hear one piece of evidence, one cogent argument as to why pot should remain illegal.

                                                                                                      Why was marijuana made illegal in the first place?

                                                                                                      The answer to that is complex, but it involves DuPont and the marketing of rayon as well as fear mongering against black men, among other things. Oh but since then there's been all sorts of government subsidized studies showing its supposed harm in order to justify their actions- each one weaker than the next.

                                                                                                      Stop the stupidity and legalize it now.

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                                                                                                      #11.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:36 PM EST
                                                                                                      Stevie-445471

                                                                                                      I stand by my opinion. When a person is engaged in an illegal enterprise they are not going to abide by any rules. On the other side of the coin, I believe marijuana should be legalized. That way the growing of the plants could be monitored, and we forget of the by products that we could get from legalizing marijuana farms. First one the comes to my mind is hemp.

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                                                                                                      #11.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:54 PM EST
                                                                                                      Rubytuesday57

                                                                                                      Say what? Damage to the water system?

                                                                                                      Do you have any idea the damage that oil based products have on our environment?

                                                                                                      ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature; they do not break down and will do great harm in the future. The process to produce the vast array of natural (hempen) plastics will not ruin the rivers as Dupont and other petrochemical companies have done. Ecology does not fit in with the plans of the Oil Industry and the political machine. Hemp products are safe and natural.

                                                                                                      In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

                                                                                                      http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

                                                                                                      Do you NOT know that the ONLY reason that hemp is illegal is due to the financial threat to the OIL TYCOONS..

                                                                                                      We now have the ability to debunk all the false propaganda which made this plant illegal.

                                                                                                      • 6 votes
                                                                                                      #11.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:58 PM EST
                                                                                                      Stevie-445471

                                                                                                      Ruby, I based my statement about contaminating the water system from the MSNBC documentary on marijuana farms found on public lands and forests. And of course the products went goes into the soil moves to the water systems. Products that have been banned in this country where found at the abandoned camp sights. But I do agree we need to get rid of the oil based plastics. And I also agree that the oil industry will keep playing on the fears of the American citizen.

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                                                                                                      #11.6 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:25 AM EST
                                                                                                      heather rowles

                                                                                                      I aw those stories too. As much as I hate to sound biased, those grow sights were operated by Mexican illegals who probably brought the chemicals with them from down south. That's how they're able to manufacture so much meth too.

                                                                                                        #11.7 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 2:07 AM EST
                                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                                        I think they were suppositions about who was growing there....so it well could have been homegrown cowboys too.

                                                                                                        In fact, in this case it was US citizens that were doing it...and I have to laugh about the dangerous substance accusation because marijuana is not a dangerous substance..

                                                                                                        http://www.northjersey.com/news/crime_courts/091010_Men_arrested_for_allegedly_growing_marijuana_in_Teaneck_park.html

                                                                                                        Two men were arrested Friday for allegedly growing as many as 20 six-foot-high marijuana plants in a wooded area of Argonne Park, police said.

                                                                                                        Englewood resident Zane Griffin, 34, and Teaneck resident Blake Griffin-Pitt, 41, were charged with numerous crimes, including maintaining a drug production facility, manufacturing a controlled dangerous substance, drug distribution and drug possession, among others.

                                                                                                        and then this story also not cartel, they were Hispanic, but not illegal..they were from Dallas, Texas.

                                                                                                        http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/2-arrested-for-growing-pot-in-forest-preserve.html

                                                                                                        and again in Hawaii volcanos, but not Mexican illegals or cartel.

                                                                                                        http://www.bigislandbuzz.com/2010/04/2-pahoa-men-busted-growing-marijuana-in-hawaii-volcanoes-national-park/

                                                                                                        Park Ranger Mardie Lane says 23-year-old Andre Victor and 20-year-old Mano White were arrested Sunday in Hilo after being named in a federal indictment.

                                                                                                        http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-896800.html no cartel here either..just homegrown folks..

                                                                                                        A Bethesda man has been arrested and charged with growing marijuana plants in Black Hill Regional Park in the Germantown area and inside his home, Montgomery County park police said yesterday.

                                                                                                        Gordon Charles Spector, 32, was arrested Friday at his home on Mayfield Drive after undercover park police officers filmed him watering and cultivating more than a dozen marijuana plants at two secluded locations along the shoreline of Little Seneca Lake, said Lt. Laura Sheldon, of the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission police.

                                                                                                        Police began watching the park after receiving a tip from a high school

                                                                                                        and no cartel here either and this was Los Angeles where it was being grown in the second largest park in LA and had been in operation for 2 years..

                                                                                                        http://laist.com/2010/08/18/lapd_busts_marijuana_grow_operation.php

                                                                                                        come on guys the mexican cartel growing in parks crap was just media hype to get people scared and nervous..

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                                                                                                        #11.8 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 9:31 PM EST
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                                                                                                        tyler-1708225

                                                                                                        It is time to end this corrupt government's war on its own people.

                                                                                                        Exactly, it's time to butt their noses out and quit making laws against smoking and what businesses can allow in their own establishments.

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                                                                                                        Reply#12 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:34 PM EST
                                                                                                        KINGOFZED

                                                                                                        You obviously don't know what is Communism.  Because it sure ain't Tax free and you  definitely don't get paid based on how hard you work.  In fact it is the complete opposite of being communist.  Good job being an idiot.

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                                                                                                        Reply#13 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:49 PM EST
                                                                                                        Coeur de Lion

                                                                                                        Communism? Isn't that what they do in Texas when they fukk the available farm animals? Like in that book on Communism, Animal Farm............right y'all?

                                                                                                          #13.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:31 PM EST
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                                                                                                          BB-375952

                                                                                                          it's time to butt their noses out and quit making laws against smoking and what businesses can allow in their own establishments.

                                                                                                          You are so wrong here in many ways...I think the law should have been passed in the 40's...it is so nice to go in a restaurant and eat a meal without someones cigarette fumes choking me and keeping me from enjoying my meal...Now if they can pass the law against them blowing their noses will be nice. :)

                                                                                                            #14 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:04 PM EST
                                                                                                            Naughtia

                                                                                                            I too dont like smoke when I eat but I didnt need a law for it.

                                                                                                            I also dont like screaming kids, maybe we can ban them at restaurants as well.

                                                                                                            And well for that matter I dont care much for the elderly and they can smell funny too, so maybe we can ban the elderly from restaurants.

                                                                                                            and dont get me on strong colognes and perfumes.

                                                                                                            I admit smoking is a bit different from these, but I think it should have been left up to the restaurant owner.

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                                                                                                            #14.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:17 PM EST
                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                            Naughtia

                                                                                                            You can still go into a bar and smoke to your hearts content...but around food it shouldn't be permitted...but this law gives the restaurant owner a gimme they don't have to make the decision to sway their patrons...and the patrons will come in and eat and leave quicker to have that "cig"..then their table is free for someone else to have their meal...Smokers tend to stay and smoke and chat through many cigarettes...so believe me it is a good thing. Also not good to smoke in Drs. Office and Hospitals either...nor in the work place. Hospitals already have a sign up "no smoking on premises"

                                                                                                            I also dont like screaming kids, maybe we can ban them at restaurants as well.

                                                                                                            So you don't like kids HUH, well, it is up to the parents to take their food home with them if the kids can't be controlled...so NO screaming kids do not come under law making.

                                                                                                            and well for that matter I dont care much for the elderly and they can smell funny too

                                                                                                            don't like elderly people either HUH? I suggest next time don't bring your grandparents or parents with you and if you are seated next to an elderly person ask for another table...Nope no law needed here either.

                                                                                                            dont get me on strong colognes and perfumes.

                                                                                                            I am kind of your side here especially in a movie theater being I have allergies..but it will never be a law for that either. still doesn't come under smoke related cancer...You know the second hand smoke.

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                                                                                                            #14.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:44 PM EST
                                                                                                            tyler-1708225

                                                                                                            So, you want exceptions for cigarettes but nothing else, only what you want government interference for. All businesses in my state are smoke free by law and that includes bars and restaurants. And many of them are now hurting and closing so does it make sense to pass this law during a bad economy? I'ld rather they make laws against serving alcohol in public places. Let them drink at home like the smokers have to smoke at home. Less traffic accidents, less drunk driving deaths, less public fights, etc.

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                                                                                                            #14.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:00 PM EST
                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                            , you want exceptions for cigarettes but nothing else,

                                                                                                            I think I had said in one of my postings that I wouldn't care if they would ban cigarettes, alcohol and drugs...without them no need for demand..but being realistic, that ain't gonna happen...There should however be a limit on how many drinks a patron can be served..two maybe? even though it isn't a cancer related problem alcohol does kill on the highways and brawls occur, etc...don't like it...as for me I wouldn't care if the law would step in. I also don't want to be riding on the highways and meeting someone stoned on Pot either.

                                                                                                            I say put a price on the man's head and bring him in...

                                                                                                              #14.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:19 PM EST
                                                                                                              Coeur de Lion

                                                                                                              Dead or alive?

                                                                                                                #14.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                Rubytuesday57

                                                                                                                I say put a price on the man's head and bring him in...

                                                                                                                Why, so that you can support him in jail?

                                                                                                                http://www.hermes-press.com/prisons_drugs.htm

                                                                                                                  #14.6 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:43 PM EST
                                                                                                                  Mark Fettig

                                                                                                                  BB says, "I say put a price on the man's head and bring him in..."

                                                                                                                  I like that - there are already too many Americans competing with the South American growers - see the irony here?

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                                                                                                                  #14.7 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:46 PM EST
                                                                                                                  BB-375952

                                                                                                                  Dead or alive?

                                                                                                                  I prefer alive...not talking about killing the guy...just looks like the feds need some help finding him. A man on the lam can't be enjoying life without family members. Someone probably knows where he is...

                                                                                                                    #14.8 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:03 PM EST
                                                                                                                    BB-375952

                                                                                                                    Mark

                                                                                                                    BB says, "I say put a price on the man's head and bring him in..."

                                                                                                                    I just believe in the opposite of "run johnny run"

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                                                                                                                    #14.9 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:04 PM EST
                                                                                                                    Mark Fettig

                                                                                                                    Fair enough - So many good Americans in our history have been criminals - those who wrote our Constitution, defying the British - refusing to pay taxes to their mother country, shall I go on? The punishment was life behind bars, or death, yet so many Americans owe their so called freedom to this group, who stood in defiance...organizing militias even.

                                                                                                                    Today, there is no great body of water to protect the Americans who feel as if they are being wrongfully prosecuted, all because their tea isn't being fairly divided.

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                                                                                                                    #14.10 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:11 PM EST
                                                                                                                    BB-375952

                                                                                                                    So many good Americans in our history have been criminals - those who wrote our Constitution, defying the British - refusing to pay taxes to their mother country, shall I go on? The punishment was life behind bars, or death, yet so many Americans owe their so called freedom to this group, who stood in defiance...organizing militias even.

                                                                                                                    You don't believe in our Constitution? Our Founding Fathers? Thomas Jefferson? Wow...War of 1812?

                                                                                                                      #14.11 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:22 PM EST
                                                                                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                      You can still go into a bar and smoke to your hearts content.

                                                                                                                      Not in NY state pal. And I say the opposition to Corporate America put a price on your head and bring you in.

                                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                                      #14.12 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                      Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                      Our Founding Fathers? Thomas Jefferson?

                                                                                                                      While we are talking about these guys;

                                                                                                                      "Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
                                                                                                                      - Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President quote on Hemp

                                                                                                                      "Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
                                                                                                                      - George Washington, U.S. President quote on Hemp

                                                                                                                      "We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
                                                                                                                      - John Adams, U.S. President quote on Hemp

                                                                                                                      "An acre of the best ground for hemp, is to be selected and sewn in hemp and be kept for a permanent hemp patch." - Thomas Jefferson's Garden book 1849

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                                                                                                                      #14.13 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                      Ix chel

                                                                                                                      Sigmund Freud...anyone remember him? Who can´t remember him? He is considered one of the most prominent thinkers of the first half of the 20th century, in terms of originality and intellectual influence...yet you know what he was? A coke addict..yeah that is right he was severely addicted to cocaine, and he used it in many of his investigations of the mind. He also discovered that it had great anesthetic properties..and someone else found that cocaine is great for using in eye surgery and perfectly safe ...to this day we use cocaine for eye surgery..bet you didn´t know that.

                                                                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                                                                      #14.14 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:18 PM EST
                                                                                                                      BB-375952

                                                                                                                      You all can defend all the drugs and make excuses for them...go to the web sites and see what happens to people who are addicted to drugs and their life stories..as I said I don't care what people do to themselves if you want to do drugs your business, if you want to drink your business...I DON"T CARE!!!

                                                                                                                      Freud...Yeh, he was an egomaniac wasn't he...a heavy smoker and was diagnosed with cancer..

                                                                                                                      ...also discovered that hypnosis was not a correct way of treating patience as he once thought. also had an Adulterous affair and put her in his apartment. Yes, a wonderful man to look up to.

                                                                                                                        #14.15 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:14 PM EST
                                                                                                                        Ix chel

                                                                                                                        it isn´t about defending drugs, sure they are addictive but so are legal ones..like benzodiazapine and morphine...ever seen what xanax withdrawal is like? Yet it is legal and docs prescribe them like candy...the reason for me is not just medical in nature and I don´t give a flip that Freud had an affair...lots of men have affairs..about 60% of married men in America have affairs and super conservative preachers have affairs...big deal. Remember his theories were at a time that mental illness studies were non existent..he was the father of psychotherapy...I don´t care about his personal decisions after all that is none of our business...and it isn´t illegal to smoke or have affairs so why does that matter to you? especially since when he was alive smoking wasn´t known as a dangerous thing?

                                                                                                                        You want to know why the biggest reason I am for legalizing drugs...beyond pot? This is why..

                                                                                                                        Drugs are absolutely pwning the war on drugs. Recently, Mexico had a 20 year old woman become police chief of a border town because nobody else wanted the job, and now we have this:

                                                                                                                        The entire police force in a small Mexican town abruptly resigned Tuesday after its new headquarters was viciously attacked by suspected drug cartel gunmen.

                                                                                                                        All 14 police officers in Los Ramones, a rural town in northern Mexico, fled the force in terror after gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets and flung six grenades at their headquarters on Monday night.

                                                                                                                        No one was injured in the attack. Mayor Santos Salinas Garza told local media that the officers resigned because of the incident.

                                                                                                                        The gunmen’s 20-minute shooting spree destroyed six police vehicles and left the white and orange police station pocked with bullet holes, the Financial Times reported.

                                                                                                                        The station had been inaugurated just three days earlier.

                                                                                                                        The attack was the second in less than a week against police forces in Nuevo Leon. Last week, thugs threw two grenades at police in Sabinas Hidalgo, according to newspaper Noroeste.

                                                                                                                        Los Ramones is in the Mexican state of Nuevo Leon, which has been a war zone of turf violence between two of the country’s fiercest drug gangs, the Zetas and the Gulf cartel.

                                                                                                                        Police have blamed members of both cartels for attacks on several police stations throughout the area. Several mayors in the region have been assassinated.

                                                                                                                        Mexico’s municipal police forces often quit out of fear after being attacked by cartels.

                                                                                                                        About 90% of forces have less than 100 officers, and 61% of cops earn less than $322 a month, according to the Finanical Times.

                                                                                                                        Mexico’s intelligence chief said this summer that nearly 30,000 people have died in drug related crimes since 2006.

                                                                                                                        Now if that comes to a neighborhood near you are you going to still think it smart to be in a war on drugs? Or is it smarter to legalize drugs so that people aren´t murdered in an effort to traffic it to the US? Why should 30k people be murdered in Mexico because we are too damn stupid to figure out that legalizing drugs is going to have the same effect that getting rid of prohibition did...it will end the damn cartel war post haste.

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                                                                                                                        #14.16 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:09 AM EST
                                                                                                                        I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                        but around food it shouldn't be permitted

                                                                                                                        No, ignoring the rights and choice of the property owner shouldn't be permitted. You are under no obligation to eat in a restaurant that allows smoking.

                                                                                                                        I just believe in the opposite of "run johnny run"

                                                                                                                        Oh, so you believe in 'Waste a @!$%#load of taxpayer money so that the stormtroopers of a corrupt policy can hunt down Americans and imprison them (wasting a @!$%#load more money) for daring to exercise their rights.'

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                                                                                                                        #14.17 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:48 PM EST
                                                                                                                        BB-375952

                                                                                                                        I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                        I'm BB, and we don't agree. :)

                                                                                                                          #14.18 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:54 PM EST
                                                                                                                          Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                          The smoking ban in bars in NYS has had devestating effects on a huge number of small roadside bars, etc. Many have just had to close the shutters. I would think there could have been a more compromising decision.

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                                                                                                                          #14.19 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:27 PM EST
                                                                                                                          BB-375952

                                                                                                                          Where I live if food isn't served in the bar area they do allow smoking...The way I know this was needing a gift card from this restaurant and I was told to go to the bar area to purchase the card. I opened the door and it was so smoky. I had to purchase the card and went outside of the bar area and she brought me the card.

                                                                                                                          They did try to compromise in the early years and have separate areas, smoking and non-smoking in the same opened room. You have patrons with health problems sitting in a room filled with smoke and their rights are violated too..It is proven that Cigarettes are harmful to your health and so is second hand smoke...so tell me who really should have the rights.

                                                                                                                            #14.20 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:09 PM EST
                                                                                                                            I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                            Of course we disagree...the difference is that my way doesn't force anything on you.

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                                                                                                                            #14.21 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:10 PM EST
                                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                                            What is the difference? you are forcing non-smokers on choosing a restaurant....that doesn't allow smoking and if they want to eat in a restaurant they should have the choice of clean air...and if you smoke, you have the choice of eating and leaving. I know I have seen people eat and smoke at the same time, but give me a break it is necessary?

                                                                                                                              #14.22 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:20 PM EST
                                                                                                                              I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                              What is the difference? you are forcing

                                                                                                                              I just gave you the difference. I am not forcing anybody to do anything...I am respecting their right to make their own choices.

                                                                                                                              but give me a break it is necessary?

                                                                                                                              As necessary as it is to eat out at all.

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                                                                                                                              #14.23 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:07 PM EST
                                                                                                                              BB-375952

                                                                                                                              As necessary as it is to eat out at all.

                                                                                                                              That brings up an entirely different topic...No not necessary to eat out...but now if we don't how many restaurants are we putting out of business. I don't eat out that often, but when I do, I don't want to sit next to a smoke stack with fumes that changes the taste of my food, or causes me breathing discomforts, when you have asthma you don't enjoy anyones smoke.

                                                                                                                                #14.24 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:15 PM EST
                                                                                                                                Ix chel

                                                                                                                                Ringo while a customer may have a choice does an employee? Not really..I disagree that any drugs should be allowed publicly..while I agree that a person can put whatever the hell they want in their body..when it is also put in someone else´s body via their actions that is where I draw the line and cigarette and marijuana smoke do just that as well as smoking crystal, etc...don´t do it in public it is just rude. If you want to kill yourself by all means do so, but do it in private, if you want to smoke marijuana fine by me, if you need it for medical purpose even better, but don´t smoke in public it affects others.

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                                                                                                                                #14.25 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:16 PM EST
                                                                                                                                I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                                BB, allowing them to make their own decision about allowing smoking isn't putting someone out of business.

                                                                                                                                lx chel, the employees have the same choice as anybody else. Before the law there were restaurants with smoking and restaurants without smoking. This topic has nothing to do with smoking in public and everything to do with smoking in private. I don't smoke, but I want to allow people to smoke on my property, that is rightfully my choice.

                                                                                                                                  #14.26 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                                  Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                  This topic has nothing to do with smoking in public and everything to do with smoking in private.

                                                                                                                                  Actually the topic is an old hippy growing pot in Kentucky.

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                                                                                                                                  #14.27 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:21 PM EST
                                                                                                                                  I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                                  Sorry, I meant the particular little other topic being discussed on this particular thread--smoking in restaurants. You are of course correct, cigarettes in restaurants have nothing at all to do with the topic of the article.

                                                                                                                                    #14.28 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:38 PM EST
                                                                                                                                    Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                    it's just the rabble rouser in me that led me to point that out. Peace

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                                                                                                                                    #14.29 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:42 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                    Upscheidt Creek

                                                                                                                                    I hate "drugs" for personal reasons....but all I can say about this story is to repeat what others have said .....Run, Johnnie, Run!!! :)

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#15 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:51 PM EST
                                                                                                                                    james418

                                                                                                                                    pot will save the USA first on the mid east, next is taking out the real bad guys south of the border. the feds got it wrong they should take out phil and morris and the FDA.

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#16 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:08 PM EST
                                                                                                                                    A Sergeant's Mom

                                                                                                                                    Do you think he might be related to Pat Boone? lol.

                                                                                                                                      Reply#17 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:10 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Coeur de Lion

                                                                                                                                      Clear evidence that weed is a sacrament from God and should be disseminated as such and given freely to all God's children, everywhere. Might help the cause of world peace, what a novel idea. Ask any cop, stoners just don't start trouble. Maybe they should dose the North Korean water supply with THC.

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                                                                                                                                      Reply#18 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Ix chel

                                                                                                                                      sounds like a plan to me...or perhaps we can send them pot laced chocolate brownies, the way they are starving it would take seconds to get them loaded as hell. Of course we might have to dose the South Koreans as well..saw them on television today and they are pissed as hell about the North Korean attack and even more pissed at their governments reaction to it...not enough..they want to smash North Korea in pieces..yep we need to send pot brownies post haste...about 20 tons of them.

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                                                                                                                                      #18.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:20 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      puffin prophet

                                                                                                                                      Clear evidence that weed is a sacrament from God

                                                                                                                                      Well to some of us it's clear anyways....

                                                                                                                                      On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. Rev 22:2

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                                                                                                                                      #18.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:06 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                      dragula96Deleted
                                                                                                                                      Rubytuesday57

                                                                                                                                      "It's illegal for a reason," Smith said.

                                                                                                                                      In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

                                                                                                                                      William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

                                                                                                                                      In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

                                                                                                                                      Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

                                                                                                                                      Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.


                                                                                                                                      http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

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                                                                                                                                      Reply#20 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:40 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      bore-head007

                                                                                                                                      Thank you,Rubytuesday57, thats the most interesting post today, from my perspective.

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                                                                                                                                      #20.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Mark Fettig

                                                                                                                                      Uniform State Narcotic Act (1925–1932)

                                                                                                                                      The Uniform State Narcotic Act, first tentative draft in 1925 and fifth final version in 1932, was a result of work by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws. It was argued that the traffic in narcotic drugs should have the same safeguards and the same regulation in all of the states. The committee took into consideration the fact that the federal government had already passed The Harrison Act in 1914 and The Federal Import and Export Act in 1922. Many persons assumed that the Harrison Act was all that was necessary. The Harrison Act, however, was a revenue-producing act, and while it provided penalties for violation, it did not give the states themselves authority to exercise police power in regard to seizure of drugs used in illicit trade, or in regard to punishment of those responsible therefor. The act was recommended to the states for that purpose.[8] As a result of the Uniform State Narcotic Act the Federal Bureau of Narcotics encouraged state governments to adopt it. By the middle of 1930s all member states had some regulation of cannabis.[9][10][11]

                                                                                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States#Uniform_State_Narcotic_Act_.281925.E2.80.931932.29

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                                                                                                                                      #20.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:07 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      bore-head007

                                                                                                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4

                                                                                                                                      Teach your children!

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                                                                                                                                      #20.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                      Excellent R-Tuesday.

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                                                                                                                                      #20.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:29 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                      Mister Joshua

                                                                                                                                      He is still a criminal and should be arrested, charged, and imprisoned for breaking the law.

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                                                                                                                                      #21 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:53 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      dragula96Deleted
                                                                                                                                      Rubytuesday57

                                                                                                                                      What harm did he cause YOU or anyone else? Perhaps you have stock in the prison industry?

                                                                                                                                      A record 7 million people -- or one in every 32 American adults -- were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, according to the Justice Department.

                                                                                                                                      Of those, 2,193,798 were in prison or jail, an increase of 2.7 percent over the previous year.

                                                                                                                                      Even though data show more prison releases, the report said, admissions still exceed releases. More than 4.1 million people were on probation and 784,208 were on parole at the end of 2005.

                                                                                                                                      From 1995 until 2003, inmates in federal prison for drug offenses have accounted for 49 percent of total prison population growth.

                                                                                                                                      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15960666/

                                                                                                                                      Unless you have stock in the prison industry all this does is put a strain on the backs of hard working tax payers.

                                                                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                                                                      #21.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:15 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Mister Joshua

                                                                                                                                      Did he or did he not break the law repeatedly and flagrantly? Yes? Then he is a criminal and I for one will not support him by demonizing law enforcement officers for doing their jobs. If you don't like the law then pettition your legislature or vote for initiatives that will legalize it. Till then we are nation of laws and laws must always be enforced.

                                                                                                                                      there has never been a morality law repealed without first having said law broken.. to that end he is a true American hero,, we need many more just like him..

                                                                                                                                      BS, he's in it for himself because he's making money off it! He is not in anyway, shape, or form like the Rosa Parks and civil rights protestors that opposed Jim Crowe laws.

                                                                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                                                                      #21.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:21 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      bore-head007

                                                                                                                                      so whats wrong with that? making a living?

                                                                                                                                      Oh! I get it! You want your chunk.

                                                                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                                                                      #21.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:49 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Ix chel

                                                                                                                                      He broke a law that should not be a law in the first place..get over it..we need to make pot legal and stop chasing after 67 year old men who grow weeds that treat lots of serious illnesses and all that jazz...what a person does with their body is their business..not the governments, not yours and sure as hell would I rather have to see Uncle Jesse growing pot for the neighborhood than to have Timmy be molested by the scumbag next door..worry about the real criminals locking up this man is not going to do anything other than cost money...if you can prove he harmed other folks by cartel like activities I will be on board(killed someone, etc) but if all he did was throw some damn seeds in the ground and grow pot plants for folks you gotta be crazy to think I want him to go to jail...think about all the folks who cannot legally buy his product in that state that do buy it because they need it...here is some of the diseases that pot works for...after you read this list can you please explain why marijuana is still illegal?

                                                                                                                                      In a 2002 review of medical literature, medical cannabis was shown to have established effects in the treatment of nausea, vomiting, premenstrual syndrome, unintentional weight loss, insomnia, and lack of appetite. Other "relatively well-confirmed" effects were in the treatment of "spasticity, painful conditions, especially neurogenic pain, movement disorders, asthma, [and] glaucoma".

                                                                                                                                      Preliminary findings indicate that cannabis-based drugs could prove useful in treating inflammatory bowel disease, migraines, fibromyalgia, and related conditions.

                                                                                                                                      Medical cannabis has also been found to relieve certain symptoms of multiple sclerosis and spinal cord injuries by exhibiting antispasmodic and muscle-relaxant properties as well as stimulating appetite.

                                                                                                                                      Other studies have shown cannabis or cannabinoids may be useful in treating alcohol abuse, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, collagen-induced arthritis, asthma, atherosclerosis, bipolar disorder, colorectal cancer, depression, dystonia, epilepsy, digestive diseases, gliomas, hepatitis C, Huntington's disease, leukemia, skin tumors, methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), Parkinson's disease, pruritus, posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), sickle-cell disease, sleep apnea, and anorexia nervosa. Controlled research on treating Tourette syndrome with a synthetic version of tetrahydrocannabinol (brand name Marinol), the main psychoactive chemical found in cannabis, showed the patients taking Marinol had a beneficial response without serious adverse effects; other studies have shown that cannabis "has no effects on tics and increases the individuals inner tension". Case reports found that marijuana helped reduce tics, but validation of these results requires longer, controlled studies on larger samples.

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                                                                                                                                      #21.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:37 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Coeur de Lion

                                                                                                                                      Harry Anslinger is the criminal. The present drug laws are a direct result of his malfeasance in office, motivated by personal and familial greed.

                                                                                                                                      Radix malorum est cupiditas.

                                                                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                                                                      #21.6 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:14 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Mister Joshua

                                                                                                                                      Ix chel: What you say may be true, but it's still illegal. Maybe you should excerise your right as an American to petition the government with that info if you feel strongly enough about the issue. But disagreeing with a law does NOT make it okay to break it.

                                                                                                                                      so whats wrong with that? making a living?

                                                                                                                                      So under that logic it would be cool if I dealt marijuana? How about crack cocaine? Or if I promoted prostitution? Where do you draw the line with the "he's just making a living" argument?

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                                                                                                                                      #21.7 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:29 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      puffin prophet

                                                                                                                                      Where do you draw the line with the "he's just making a living" argument?

                                                                                                                                      You don't, until the rights of others are trampled in the process.

                                                                                                                                      No one is "forced" to buy drugs, legal or not.

                                                                                                                                      Even as much as I hate Big Pharma, no one is forced to purchase their poison either.

                                                                                                                                      • 4 votes
                                                                                                                                      #21.8 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:48 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                      Even as much as I hate Big Pharma, no one is forced to purchase their poison either.

                                                                                                                                      Not entirely true. There's a boatload of people who are mandated by the courts to continue taking their medication.

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                                                                                                                                      #21.9 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:12 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      puffin prophet

                                                                                                                                      There's a boatload of people who are mandated by the courts to continue taking their medication.

                                                                                                                                      Sad, but true. One has to wonder what personal choices they made to find themselves in such circumstance, not saying there are no innocent victims, but betting they are few and far between. I also wonder if many of those who are court ordered have to pay, or is the State picking up the tab? It's a complex scenario for sure.

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                                                                                                                                      #21.10 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:52 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                      The whole US judicial and corrections sytems are complex scenarios in dire need of reform.

                                                                                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                                                                                      #21.11 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:58 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                                      He is still a criminal and should be arrested, charged, and imprisoned for breaking the law.

                                                                                                                                      You mean like all the members of the Underground Railroad?

                                                                                                                                      Did he or did he not break the law repeatedly and flagrantly? Yes? Then he is a criminal and I for one will not support him by demonizing law enforcement officers for doing their jobs. If you don't like the law then pettition your legislature or vote for initiatives that will legalize it. Till then we are nation of laws and laws must always be enforced.

                                                                                                                                      You choose nation of laws. I'll still always choose a nation of human rights.

                                                                                                                                      • 5 votes
                                                                                                                                      #21.12 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:57 PM EST
                                                                                                                                      BB-375952

                                                                                                                                      You choose nation of laws. I'll still always choose a nation of human rights.

                                                                                                                                      If there were no laws, there definitely wouldn't be any human rights..to a large degree. We can't, even when growing up have everything our way Parents have rules and expect their children to obey them and when they don't then there is punishment...Way of life my friend.

                                                                                                                                        #21.13 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:59 PM EST
                                                                                                                                        I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                                        Just because people have parents around when they are young doesn't mean they need to trade them in for dictators later.

                                                                                                                                        Way of life

                                                                                                                                        Yeah, so is murder and rape......which brings us to the difference between 'way of life' and 'good way of life'.

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                                                                                                                                        #21.14 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:14 PM EST
                                                                                                                                        BB-375952

                                                                                                                                        We are not yet living under dictatorship...we have laws...Obama has a health care law that we now have to abide by...laws are made everyday.

                                                                                                                                        so is murder and rape.

                                                                                                                                        Yes, so is murder and rape and also child molesters, but our laws do set punishment laws. If we didn't have laws, we would be living in a more chaotic world...We may not agree with all laws, but when they are there we have to abide by them..way of life and a good way of life, a person who molests my child should get more than living in his home near a school or playground. When you start talking about not agreeing with laws about smoking or growing your own pot...there are so many other laws that take priority over those.

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                                                                                                                                        #21.15 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                                        I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                                        We are not yet living under dictatorship

                                                                                                                                        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictatorship

                                                                                                                                        This popular dictionary disagrees with you.

                                                                                                                                        A tyranny of the majority or of the minority is still a tyranny.

                                                                                                                                        When you start talking about not agreeing with laws about smoking or growing your own pot...there are so many other laws that take priority over those.

                                                                                                                                        Go tell that to the people locked in a cell for exercising their right to control over their own body.

                                                                                                                                        We may not agree with all laws, but when they are there we have to abide by them

                                                                                                                                        Said the people that told the Nazis where the Jews were hiding.

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                                                                                                                                        #21.16 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                                        BB-375952

                                                                                                                                        I can not believe you compare our government to a government of dictatorship..I think the liberals would like for it to get to that or more of a Socialist Government. You know with the distribution of wealth.

                                                                                                                                        people that told the Nazis where the Jews were hiding.

                                                                                                                                        How can anyone compare this to the Nazis and the Jews. I wasn't there, but I can imagine the fright people went through during those times. I wouldn't be the one to tell where the Jews were hiding..because they were good people and being Judged only because of their families and religion. Now I feel bad you got me reading on Hitler and his love for Germans and hatred for the Jews, this messed up my day. I have seen a lot of movies on this topic, my hardest to watch I think was Sophie's Choice and my favorite was Schindlers list. WOW, is this ever off topic.

                                                                                                                                          #21.17 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:41 PM EST
                                                                                                                                          I'm Ringo

                                                                                                                                          I think the liberals would like for it to get to that or more of a Socialist Government. You know with the distribution of wealth.

                                                                                                                                          WOW, is this ever off topic.

                                                                                                                                          Yes, that was.

                                                                                                                                          How can anyone compare this to the Nazis and the Jews.

                                                                                                                                          I haven't seen anybody try to compare this issue to that of the Nazis and Jews.

                                                                                                                                          I wouldn't be the one to tell where the Jews were hiding

                                                                                                                                          .We may not agree with all laws, but when they are there we have to abide by them

                                                                                                                                          Well now you're just being wishy-washy. Make up your mind.

                                                                                                                                            #21.18 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:21 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                            Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                            If this guy ever needs a place to stay he is welcome to stay with me anytime.

                                                                                                                                            My medical weed dispensary has 100% organic locally grown pot.

                                                                                                                                            http://medicalmarijuanaseattle.com/

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                                                                                                                                            Reply#22 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:54 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                                                            If this guy ever needs a place to stay he is welcome to stay with me anytime.

                                                                                                                                            He will just smoke up your stash.

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                                                                                                                                            #22.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:07 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            bore-head007

                                                                                                                                            Or show you how to grow that Kentucy Blow Grass!

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                                                                                                                                            #22.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                                                            Or show you how to grow that Kentucy Blow Grass!

                                                                                                                                            Angry is suppose to smoking the legal stuff...the Herbal kind...but then why is he Angry?

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                                                                                                                                            #22.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:40 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                            but then why is he Angry?

                                                                                                                                            If you can figure that out I'll let you tell it to my shrink.

                                                                                                                                            It's not like I'm pissed at everybody.....just a large portion.

                                                                                                                                            I'll be out of your society and living the recluse life on my little farm/ranch in 10 years or so....I wouldn't get to concerned about my anger...

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                                                                                                                                            #22.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                                                            It's not like I'm pissed at everybody.....just a large portion.

                                                                                                                                            Let me guess, they are all Republicans...LOL

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                                                                                                                                            #22.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:52 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            bore-head007

                                                                                                                                            Ya know, sometimes, ya just get pissed off! lol

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                                                                                                                                            #22.6 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:57 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                            Let me guess, they are all Republicans...LOL

                                                                                                                                            Not always...there are a couple different segments that get it.....it has less to do with ideology than it does with attitude.

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                                                                                                                                            #22.7 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:59 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            puffin prophet

                                                                                                                                            ....it has less to do with ideology than it does with attitude.

                                                                                                                                            Oh praise God, can the brother get a witness up in here?!?!?

                                                                                                                                            Oh wait, that would be me... spot on brother.... testify! testify!!!

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                                                                                                                                            #22.8 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:16 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            Coeur de Lion

                                                                                                                                            Yeah Johnny, we'll cover for you if you come by here. I'll get 20 or 30 Hoovers to watch the block for you.

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                                                                                                                                            #22.9 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:15 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                            but then why is he Angry?

                                                                                                                                            Let me guess, they are all Republicans...LOL

                                                                                                                                            Maybe just the ones as outspoken as you.

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                                                                                                                                            #22.10 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:01 AM EST
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                                                                                                                                            Hayte

                                                                                                                                            Run, Johnny! Run!

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                                                                                                                                            Reply#23 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:05 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            dragula96Deleted
                                                                                                                                            Hayte

                                                                                                                                            I'm sorry that he has to run at all.

                                                                                                                                            But, I do hope he is safe. :)

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                                                                                                                                            #23.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:27 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                                                            I'm sorry that he has to run at all.

                                                                                                                                            But, I do hope he is safe. :)

                                                                                                                                            I guess he wasn't on Willie's bus...

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                                                                                                                                            #23.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:41 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                            Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                            What seems funny is the same people saying this guy should go to jail for a long time seem to be the same ones that are all pissed off that Tom Delay is about to do some time in one of those wonderful Teaxs prisons.

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                                                                                                                                            Reply#24 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            bore-head007

                                                                                                                                            Haaa haaa haaa!!!

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                                                                                                                                            #24.1 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:30 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            Bad Fish

                                                                                                                                            Your joking right? Both Democrats and Republicans support the War on Drugs. If you support one of these parties you support it also. Guilt by association.

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                                                                                                                                            #24.2 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM EST
                                                                                                                                            BB-375952

                                                                                                                                            Tom Delay is about to do some time in one of those wonderful Teaxs prisons.

                                                                                                                                            It is sad they don't find the Democrats guilty and put them in prison...they just seem to get a good wrist slapping.

                                                                                                                                              #24.3 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:43 PM EST
                                                                                                                                              Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                              Both Democrats and Republicans

                                                                                                                                              Thats why I'm neither.....I'm much further "left".

                                                                                                                                              BB;

                                                                                                                                              Maybe you should research the difference between a criminal trial like what delay had....and what a congressional ethics hearing like what rangel had.

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                                                                                                                                              #24.4 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:46 PM EST
                                                                                                                                              BB-375952

                                                                                                                                              Thats why I'm neither.....I'm much further "left"

                                                                                                                                              I never could understand why anyone wants the Government to be "far left" don't make any sense to me...it just means they don't want to agree...I am more a centrist myself...understand and rule with both parties in mind...in some cases both make good points.

                                                                                                                                              .Maybe you should research the difference between a criminal trial like what delay had....and what a congressional ethics hearing like what rangel has

                                                                                                                                              Had he not been an 80 year old man they may have brought him up for higher charges...he got away with breaking the laws that he himself supports.

                                                                                                                                                #24.5 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:59 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                                I never could understand why anyone wants the Government to be "far left"

                                                                                                                                                I don't want the govt to be "far left". I feel I act as a counterbalance to the extreme right.

                                                                                                                                                I know my policies are too far left for most people....but some of those far right people are really creepy people....the klan and neo nazi's for starters.

                                                                                                                                                I also do have some right wing ideals.....gun control for one.

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                                                                                                                                                #24.6 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                BB-375952

                                                                                                                                                far right people are really creepy people....the klan and neo nazi's for starters.

                                                                                                                                                I am not sure how popular this is in the USA...Neo nazi's.... now the klan those kooks are who they are and they do not represent all that sit on the right side of the aisle..You are speaking of small groups who are not supported by many.

                                                                                                                                                  #24.7 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:36 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                                  You are speaking of small groups who are not supported by many.

                                                                                                                                                  I get that.

                                                                                                                                                  But, lets take that neo nazi on the border playing vigilante. I mention him to righties and they actually support the guy....they actually support a self proclaimed neo nazi!?!? But then, you bring up George Soros and they start crying and screaming "nazi sympathizer!!"??

                                                                                                                                                  I grew up in SC...the klan is alive and well. They have also been around for almost 2 centuries. I grew up as a jew in SC watching the klan march around preaching the death and destruction of my people.....to hordes of people cheering them on. But then 2 black guys standing in front of a polling place is the end of democracy as we know it and a threat to all white people??!! But the klan...they have been "intimidating voters" for a couple hundred years and the right wing wants to act like they dont exist.

                                                                                                                                                  They may be small groups, but when I see people considering them allies over people like me....it makes for some hostility. I'm not your enemy...I'm theirs, and that the right has the attitude of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" about these groups then they have sided themselves against people like me.

                                                                                                                                                  Is there a Nazi party in the US?

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.americannaziparty.com/

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.nsm88.org/

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.nazi.org/

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.nsalp.org/

                                                                                                                                                  There is some light reading to get you started.

                                                                                                                                                  Being from SC they have the klan...not neo nazi's....not 20 years ago anyway...they might now...but the klan still marches around all the time....

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.aikenstandard.com/Local/0223KKKRally KKK will hold rally in Clearwater
                                                                                                                                                  2/22/2010

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                                                                                                                                                  #24.8 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:44 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  Stand up, speak out

                                                                                                                                                  I knew there was a reason I liked you A L.

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                                                                                                                                                  #24.9 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  Ix chel

                                                                                                                                                  Angry Left, try being a Native American Hispanic Catholic around those guys...I am not Catholic any more, but I ain´t christian either...somehow though I couldn´t wash the brown skin off of me so they still don´t like me...certainly not the nazi fool on the border that so many on the right and in Arizona in fact support..remember he is best of friends with Pearce the leader of the GOP in Arizona. So if BB thinks that they aren´t that big of a deal...I would suggest that BB probably doesn´t live in the west and probably is not brown, jewish or Catholic or black either.

                                                                                                                                                  Dammit AL..didn´t know you were from South Carolina...I lived there from 90-02...I hated every minute of living with those backwards warped fools...we lived in Colombia first and I figured if perhaps I moved..at first I blamed the town and not the state..I hoped things would get better, damn the furrners time to take our country back...too bad I am all American.., so we moved off to Rock Hill, it was slightly better there but then I got brave and a wild hair up my butt we sold the house to a detective there and moved to Anderson..worst damned mistake of my life...couldn´t wait to get out of there..we took off to Atlanta, again a good choice..southern but not like South Carolina in any effect at all..multicultural with a southern accent..I liked it..and decided to keep it..but for now I am stuck in Honduras..it isn´t bad here, like the people and we don´t have any nazis either.

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                                                                                                                                                  #24.10 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:43 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  puffin prophet

                                                                                                                                                  but for now I am stuck in Honduras..it isn´t bad here, like the people and we don´t have any nazis either.

                                                                                                                                                  The weed brother... how's the weed?

                                                                                                                                                  I think I read that you don't partake, but what's the legal status there?

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                                                                                                                                                  #24.11 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:21 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  Angry Left-532262

                                                                                                                                                  Dammit AL..didn´t know you were from South Carolina...I lived there from 90-02

                                                                                                                                                  I was there until 93. Then from 00-01.

                                                                                                                                                  I'll never go back.

                                                                                                                                                  .we lived in Colombia

                                                                                                                                                  I was about 20 miles east in a @!$%#hole called Lugoff (more people know the town next door Camden).

                                                                                                                                                  so we moved off to Rock Hill

                                                                                                                                                  Lived there for a while as well.....wasn't impressed. Best part of there is it is close to charlotte...which isn't a huge step up but still...take what you can get right?

                                                                                                                                                  but for now I am stuck in Honduras

                                                                                                                                                  We are taking a vaction down that way in a couple years...we are going to do the great cities of the Maya (Palnque, Tikal, Copan, and a couple of the smaller ones) for December 2012....I figure if anything happens I can see it first hand...and if nothing happens I can still say I was there....

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                                                                                                                                                  #24.12 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:27 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  Ix chel

                                                                                                                                                  Copan is a pretty nice place, cooler weather than San Pedro Sula where I am..if you send me a message when you are headed this way I will send you some names of hotels there that are pretty decent. Santa Rosa de Copan is where you want to be in 2012..we have been thinking that same thing..(my husband is Mayan btw) a nice place to visit here if you get a chance is to go to pulapanzak in Santa Barbara. It is a waterfall that is just absolutely beautiful and if you are a nature person you will never want to leave..it is very well preserved in a natural state...you can get up to it where the water spray hits your face. Oh and you can´t miss going to see Lago Yajoa..it is a natural lake that is bottomless..some say that it is from an ancient volcano that filled with water, the fish are great that the fry fresh at the little outside restaurants by it...great place..like I said shoot me a message I have some great pictures that you can see of Honduras before you come...it is nice..I am just a little worn out by the darn DEA causing the anty up in the drug war here and it has caused a huge uptick in violence as a result.

                                                                                                                                                  I agree that the best thing about Rock Hill was Charlotte.

                                                                                                                                                  Puffin, right now it is still illegal..small possession under half ounce is likely to just get you a ticket though..and if you do it don´t carry it in your car...but if you keep it in your hotel room no agents are going to bust down your door...the warrant process here is a little more strict than the states..they aren´t going to bust your door down over a joint..but if you are a dealer they will go after you. The last year there was a serious discussion of the legalization of small possession and decriminalization of all drugs in general, but the DEA threw a flipping fit and they had emergency meetings and all that jazz..and basically bribed the government not to do it..they offered them several tens of milions of dollars..cannot remember the dollar amount right now..but they are broke and the idiot in office was not the most educated folk..so he took the money and dropped the legalization stuff..had he gave the DEA their walking papers, made it legal and taxed the stuff as well as permitting growing and taxing the country would be working on a tax benefit that fell straight from heaven for this very poor country(in fact I believe we are the 2nd or 3rd most poor country in the hemisphere.

                                                                                                                                                  The one thing about the pot here, from what I understand..and yeah I do not use, but if I were to need it medically I would have no qualms about using it whatsoever, no one has to smoke it there are other ways to use medicinal marijuana as I am sure you know...is that it is pure in form and fairly strong..it isn´t laced with anything here..so it is absolutely natural and fresh quality...most of the stuff that makes it to the US has been stretched and processed and treated...the stuff here is organic.

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                                                                                                                                                  #24.13 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:27 AM EST
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                                                                                                                                                  LifeTravler

                                                                                                                                                  I don't have time to read all the comments, but here's my thing about pot. It's a plant. It was here before we were. Why is it illegal?

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                                                                                                                                                  Reply#25 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:25 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  KobalDeleted
                                                                                                                                                  sammyg

                                                                                                                                                  Kind of interesting story. AT least he only dealt with pot and not bombs like some other terrorists.

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                                                                                                                                                  Reply#27 - Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                  Jim Borst

                                                                                                                                                  Sammyg - you're terrified by a guy who grows pot? Are you afraid of clowns too?

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                                                                                                                                                  #27.1 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:48 AM EST
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