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Anti-Wall Street protests spread nationwide

Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:05 PM EDT
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Chris Hawley , Associated Press
It has been more than two weeks and the Wall Street demonstrators protesting corporate greed and other issues are still at it. AP correspondent Julie Walker reports.
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<p>Rachel Schneider of Brooklyn, N.Y., has her face painted to resemble a zombie before a march at the ongoing Occupy Wall Street demonstration in the financial district's Zucotti park, Monday, Oct. 3, 2011, in New York. The protests have gathered momentum and gained participants in recent days as news of mass arrests and a coordinated media campaign by the protestors have given rise to similar demonstrations around the country. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)</p>

Rachel Schneider of Brooklyn, N.Y., has her face painted to resemble a zombie before a march at the ongoing Occupy Wall Street demonstration in the financial district's Zucotti park, Monday, Oct. 3, 2011, in New York. The protests have gathered momentum and gained participants in recent days as news of mass arrests and a coordinated media campaign by the protestors have given rise to similar demonstrations around the country. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

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NEW YORK — Protests against Wall Street spread across the country Monday as demonstrators marched on Federal Reserve banks and camped out in parks from Los Angeles to Portland, Maine, in a show of anger over the wobbly economy and what they see as corporate greed.

In Manhattan, hundreds of protesters dressed as corporate zombies in white face paint lurched past the New York Stock Exchange clutching fistfuls of fake money. In Chicago, demonstrators pounded drums in the city's financial district. Others pitched tents or waved protest signs at passing cars in Boston, St. Louis and Kansas City, Mo.

The arrests of 700 protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge over the weekend galvanized a slice of discontented America, from college students worried about their job prospects to middle-age workers who have been recently laid off.

Some protesters likened themselves to the tea party movement — but with a liberal bent — or to the Arab Spring demonstrators who brought down their rulers in the Middle East.

"I've felt this way for a long time. I've really just kind of been waiting for a movement to come along that I thought would last and have some resonation within the community," said Steven Harris, a laid-off truck driver in Kansas City.

Harris and about 20 other people were camped out in a park across the street from the Kansas City Federal Reserve building, their site strewn with sleeping bags, clothes and handmade signs. Some passing drivers honked in support.

The Occupy Wall Street protests started on Sept. 17 with a few dozen demonstrators who tried to pitch tents in front of the New York Stock Exchange. Since then, hundreds have set up camp in a park nearby and have become increasingly organized, lining up medical aid and legal help and printing their own newspaper, the Occupied Wall Street Journal.

About 100 demonstrators were arrested on Sept. 24 and some were pepper-sprayed. On Saturday police arrested 700 on charges of disorderly conduct and blocking a public street as they tried to march over the Brooklyn Bridge. Police said they took five more protesters into custody on Monday, though it was unclear whether they had been charged with any crime.

Wiljago Cook, of Oakland, Calif., who joined the New York protest on the first day, said she was shocked by the arrests.

"Exposing police brutality wasn't even really on my agenda, but my eyes have been opened," she said. She vowed to stay in New York "as long as it seems useful."

City bus drivers sued the New York Police Department on Monday for commandeering their buses and making them drive to the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday to pick up detained protesters.

"We're down with these protesters. We support the notion that rich folk are not paying their fair share," said Transport Workers Union President John Samuelsen. "Our bus operators are not going to be pressed into service to arrest protesters anywhere."

The city's Law Department said the NYPD's actions were proper.

On Monday, the zombies stayed on the sidewalks as they wound through Manhattan's financial district chanting, "How to fix the deficit: End the war, tax the rich!" They lurched along with their arms in front of them. Some yelled, "I smell money!"

Reaction was mixed from passers-by.

Roland Klingman, who works in the financial industry and was wearing a suit as he walked through a raucous crowd of protesters, said he could sympathize with the anti-Wall Street message.

"I don't think it's directed personally at everyone who works down here," Klingman said. "If they believe everyone down here contributes to policy decisions, it's a serious misunderstanding."

Another man in a suit yelled at the protesters, "Go back to work!" He declined to be interviewed.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire who made his fortune as a corporate executive, has said the demonstrators are making a mistake by targeting Wall Street.

"The protesters are protesting against people who make $40- or $50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That's the bottom line. Those are the people who work on Wall Street or in the finance sector," Bloomberg said in a radio interview Friday.

Some protesters planned to travel to other cities to organize similar events.

John Hildebrand, a protester in New York from Norman, Okla., hoped to mount a protest there after returning home Tuesday. Julie Levine, a protester in Los Angeles, planned to go to Washington on Thursday.

Websites and Facebook pages with names like Occupy Boston and Occupy Philadelphia have also sprung up to plan the demonstrations.

Hundreds of demonstrators marched from a tent city on a grassy plot in downtown Boston to the Statehouse to call for an end of corporate influence of government.

"Our beautiful system of American checks and balances has been thoroughly trashed by the influence of banks and big finance that have made it impossible for the people to speak," said protester Marisa Engerstrom, of Somerville, Mass., a Harvard doctoral student.

The Boston demonstrators decorated their tents with hand-written signs reading, "Fight the rich, not their wars" and "Human need, not corporate greed."

Some stood on the sidewalk holding up signs, engaging in debate with passers-by and waving at honking cars. One man yelled "Go home!" from his truck. Another man made an obscene gesture.

"We lean left, but there have been tea party people stopping by here who have said, `Hey, we like what you're doing,'" said Jason Potteiger, a media coordinator for the Boston protesters.

In Chicago, protesters beat drums on the corner near the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. In Los Angeles, demonstrators hoping to get TV coverage gathered in front of the courthouse where Michael Jackson's doctor is on trial on manslaughter charges.

Protesters in St. Louis stood on a street corner a few blocks from the shimmering Gateway Arch, carrying signs that read, "How Did The Cat Get So Fat?," "You're a Pawn in Their Game" and "We Want The Sacks Of Gold Goldman Sachs Stole From Us."

"Money talks, and it seems like money has all the power," said Apollonia Childs. "I don't want to see any homeless people on the streets, and I don't want to see a veteran or elderly people struggle. We all should have our fair share. We all vote, pay taxes. Tax the rich."

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Verena Dobnik, Karen Matthews, Cristian Salazar and Jennifer Peltz in New York; Jim Suhr in St. Louis; David Sharp in Portland, Maine; Mark Pratt in Boston; Patrick Walters in Philadelphia; Bill Draper in Kansas City, Mo.; Carla K. Johnson in Chicago, and Christina Hoag and Robert Jablon in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

© 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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The Grim Creeper

Zombie costumes? What is this Halloween or a protest?

  • 19 votes
#1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:30 PM EDT
Got_It?Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

No silly it's a bunch of useful idiots.

  • 22 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:34 PM EDT
The Grim CreeperExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

No silly it's a bunch of useful idiots.

That goes without saying.

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:42 PM EDT
Cygnus_X-1

"But another man in a suit yelled, "Go back to work!" He declined to be interviewed."

Umm I think this is what they're partially protesting against. All of those corporations and Wall St. not paying their taxes, not hiring people, and seeking corporate subsidies even more. Greed has no shame. Now would be a good time for Obama to try and distance himself from his own corporate cronies, and try to embrace this movement. Maybe have a million person march at the Washington Mall, and Obama speak to them and lead them on.

  • 31 votes
#1.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:42 PM EDT
dcstone01

LOL...I find it very funny...A similar article to this article was in my local paper today...yeap, the first time in almost 3 weeks of protests my local paper dared to print an article related to the protests...Even with me making comments every day to the 'editor' about the lack of coverage in their editions...

The corporate media tried their darndest not to report on it...thinking with no coverage, the protest would 'die'...lol...it didn't...

Instead, it's only getting bigger...

Too funny...now the cm is trying to save face now and 'report' on it...lol...It would be good if they were 'unbiased' about it though...negative reports are not going to sit well with the public, when there are 'alternate' articles and videos's to use as proof...

  • 31 votes
#1.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:49 PM EDT
StayWoke

Mad props to Democracy Now! for being down and ride or die from day one.

http://www.democracynow.org

Amy! Amy! Amy! Thank you and the whole crew.

  • 22 votes
#1.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:06 PM EDT
sammy sezso

You are correct dcstone01! The protests are getting bigger and gaining support with each passing day! The protesters are going to be in every city in the nation soon.

Can you hear them now America?

  • 37 votes
#1.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
Sam Spade-1094274

Zombie costumes? What is this Halloween or a protest?

And the author of this comment is named The Grim Creeper. 'Nuff said.

  • 30 votes
#1.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:08 PM EDT
American Idle

I got this in email several days ago:

Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:11 am
Subject: [ActionGreens] Occupy movement spreading rapidly - Partial list
of demonstrations

"Occupy Wall Street" Protest support in Phoenix:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Wall-Street-Protest-support-in-Phoenix
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(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Wall-Street-Protest-support-in-Phoenix/136594589771126) _136594589771126—
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Wall-Street-Protest-support-in-Phoenix/136594589771126)

Occupy ATLANTA: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyAtlanta_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyAtlanta)

Occupy Binghamton:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Binghamton/224155487638794_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Binghamton/224155487638794)

Occupy Boston: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyBoston_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyBoston)

Occupy Chicago: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyChicago_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyChicago)

Occupy Cinncinnati:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Cincinnati/223119174411353_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Cincinnati/223119174411353)

Occupy Cleveland:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyCleveland/194818900592126_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyCleveland/194818900592126)

Occupy Columbus:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Columbus/196595577081094_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Columbus/196595577081094)

Occupy Connecticut: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyConnecticut_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyConnecticut)

Occupy Dallas: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyDallas_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyDallas)

OccupyDC Oct 6, 2011:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/OCCUPYDC-Oct-6-2011/164322683652471_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OCCUPYDC-Oct-6-2011/164322683652471)

Occupy Denver: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyDenverTheEvent_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyDenverTheEvent)

Occupy Europe:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Europe/267662826590364_ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Europe/267662826590364)

Occupy Florida: _http://www.facebook.com/occupyflorida_
(http://www.facebook.com/occupyflorida)

Occupy Houston: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyHouston_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyHouston)

Occupy Indiana:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Indiana/137775469655026_ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Indiana/137775469655026)

Occupy Indianapolis: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyIND_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyIND)

OccupyjaxFL: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyjaxFL/270252046329538_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyjaxFL/270252046329538)

Occupy Kansas City: _http://bit.ly/OccupyKansasCity_
(http://bit.ly/OccupyKansasCity)

Occupy the Londond Stock Exchange:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-the-London-Stock-Exchange/264223386945
0—
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-the-London-Stock-Exchange/264223386945066) _66—
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-the-London-Stock-Exchange/264223386945066)

Occupy Los Angeles: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyLA_ (http://on.fb.me/OccupyLA)

Occupy Michigan: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyMichigan_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyMichigan)

Occupy MN: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyMN_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyMN)

Occupy Nashville: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyNashville_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyNashville)

Occupy Nebraska:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Nebraska/290076514340573_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Nebraska/290076514340573)

Occupy New Orleans: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyNOLA_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyNOLA)

Occupy OKC: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-OKC/270667299623500_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-OKC/270667299623500)

Occupy Omaha: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Omaha/256875934351305_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Omaha/256875934351305)

Occupy OSU (Oklahoma State University):
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-OSU-Oklahoma-State-University/15264844
4—
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-OSU-Oklahoma-State-University/152648444828146) _828146—
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-OSU-Oklahoma-State-University/152648444828146)

Occupy OWSNashville:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/OWSNashville/180704075338131_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OWSNashville/180704075338131)

Occupy North Georgia: _http://www.facebook.com/northganow_
(http://www.facebook.com/northganow)

Occupy Philadelphia:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Philadelphia/120049568097919_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Philadelphia/120049568097919)

Occupy Phoenix: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyPhoenix_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyPhoenix)

Occupy Pittsburgh: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyPGH_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyPGH)

Occupy Portland: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyPortland_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyPortland)

Occupy Sacramento: _http://on.fb.me/OccupySacramento_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupySacramento)

Occupy San Diego:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-San-Diego/198003106936678_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-San-Diego/198003106936678)

Occupy San Jose: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupySJ_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupySJ)

Occupy San Francisco:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-San-Francisco/216437765085799_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-San-Francisco/216437765085799)

Occupy San Francisco Financial District SF:
_http://www.facebook.com/OccupyFDSF_ (http://www.facebook.com/OccupyFDSF)

Occupy San Francisco (Union Square): _http://on.fb.me/OccupyUnionSquare_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupyUnionSquare)

Occupy Seattle: _http://on.fb.me/OccupySeattle_
(http://on.fb.me/OccupySeattle)

Occupy SLC: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-SLC/197192707016780_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-SLC/197192707016780)

Occupy STL: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupySTL/239033469481751_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupySTL/239033469481751)

OccupyTampa: _http://on.fb.me/OccupyTampa_ (http://on.fb.me/OccupyTampa)

Occupy TEXAS: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyTEXAS/178249538919887_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyTEXAS/178249538919887)

Occupy Toronto Market Exchange: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyToronto_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyToronto)

Occupy Tulsa: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Tulsa/268134536543348_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Tulsa/268134536543348)

Occupy Wall St.: _http://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt_
(http://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt)

Occupy X: _http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyX/164643446953537_
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyX/164643446953537)

Occupy Youngstown: _http://www.facebook.com/occupyyoungstown_
(http://www.facebook.com/occupyyoungstown)

Carpool to #Occupy Wallstreet:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-Occupy-Wallstreet/222614057794752_

(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-Occupy-Wallstreet/222614057794752)

It's a disgrace for anyone to call these dedicated people "useful idiots." These are mostly young people whose futures are totally screwed because of the corporate elites whose avarice and power knows no bounds. These effing bastards tanked our economy and stole our democracy and some people here are taking cheap shots at the protesters? Talk about being on the wrong side.

  • 46 votes
#1.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT
Jeremiah-2094437

I'm of the confused and don't know who's side I'm on ...I'm on my side I know that, but, I'm not sure who's wagon to jump on just yet.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:22 PM EDT
mighty heidiExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

you put no responsiblity on the democraps or obama who havehad control for FOUR years, it is THEIR disastrous policies that have brought our country the misery we are in.

  • 13 votes
#1.10 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:26 PM EDT
lib50

Heidi, heidi, heidi. The disastrous policies you speak of are the same old TRICKLE DOWN that republicans want to double down on. Obama has had to deal with the republicans actively trying to stop every single thing he tries to do. He is not perfect by any stretch, but I have yet to hear one republican with a REAL answer. Just more of the same failed trickle down bull@!$%#. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • 35 votes
#1.11 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:40 PM EDT
bitemore

#1.3: Now would be a good time for Obama to try and distance himself from his own corporate cronies, and try to embrace this movement. Maybe have a million person march at the Washington Mall, and Obama speak to them and lead them on.

Oh, yes! I'd get behind this... and I'd be right there on the mall, too!

#1.10: you put no responsiblity on the democraps or obama who havehad control for FOUR years,

Get your facts straight, please. Obama hasn't even been President for three years; it won't be three years until January 21, 2012. But, then, I suppose you'll believe whatever you want to believe. Meh.

  • 27 votes
#1.12 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:42 PM EDT
American Idle

Jeremiah, you gotta be kidding. You're not sure whether you have a problem with the people who have caused the catastrophe we call "our economy"? Really?

Heidi, that's nonsense. The recent collapse started under Bush. There were, however, trade sagreements made, under both Dems and Repubs, that caused massive offshoring of American jobs. And there's been a concerted effort, especially since Reagan, to drive working-class wages and working conditions into the gutter.

In fact, if you look at history, the wealthy elites have been hell bent on overturning everything even Roosevelt did that lifted the nation out of the Great Depression.

  • 24 votes
#1.13 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:53 PM EDT
The Grim Creeper

It's a disgrace for anyone to call these dedicated people "useful idiots." These are mostly young people whose futures are totally screwed because of the corporate elites whose avarice and power knows no bounds. These effing bastards tanked our economy and stole our democracy and some people here are taking cheap shots at the protesters? Talk about being on the wrong side.

Really? I just heard a bunch of sound bytes that contained a lot of anti-Semitism, accusing the Jews of the financial collapse because they "control the Federal Reserve." So, not only are the protesters useful idiots, but they are clueless as well.

But you don't care if they have a common cause, you just like to see people protesting against "the establishment" and "the man" because it gives you flashbacks of the 60s. I'm sure you'd REALLY love it if there were a little Scott Walker protesting going on as well.

  • 10 votes
#1.14 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:57 PM EDT
Naughtia

grim reaper you can find an idiot in any crowd, some like the GOP actually have a plethora of them, So I am surprised you would paint the entire group with the idiot comments of a few, or do you think we should paint the entire GOP with bachmans words?

And you cant dismiss this as 60's nonsense. Funny I believe you were one of the main saying the tea party is some sort of growing grass roots movement, but this is 6-'s nonsense? really?

  • 24 votes
#1.15 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT
Jeremiah-2094437

I dunno, in my honest opinion WE ARE THOSE PEOPLE....

We are the people who were accepting those fat "stimulus" checks.

We were the people writing off as much of our taxes as we could...

We were the people buying up as many techno gizmos as we could...

We are the people who are signing Mortgages that we know we can't afford.

We are the United States... We did this. and We should be able to Undo it.

But they... the they's.... I'm not so sure they "don't" want to help.

maybe not as much as we would like , but I'm pretty sure they feel the same way we do. sorta...

they want our country to be great, they will feel the pressure too.

I'm just not sure it's as clear cut and dry as we're making it out to be.

I would ... am ready... to pay more taxes, but... I'd like some Financial Responsibility in Washington...

and how these Cooperate juggernauts play into this... meh.. I'm not so sure, they lobby, they dump ridiculous amounts of money into campaigns (essentially buying their candidate) ...

I don't know where the problem is, but ... I do see where we can make it more ... Pure?

... What is an "economy"?

Family values ?

Paying debt?

I think there's a problem... I'm not sure anyone know's what it is... Greed for what the joness has?

Greed? let's say that the top 1% donated 1/2 their wealth to the poor... they're still the top 1% right?

who's greed is really the problem? who can't live within their means?

Every country has a "Poor" population that defines it as it's legs.

Ours... don't want to be legs no more.

Something is wrong.

  • 6 votes
#1.16 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:04 PM EDT
Rickeroo

How could Wall Street get so fat without legions of brainwashed consumers jockeying for position to see who can put themselves in debt the furthest?

If any one of those protesters owes a penny to a bank or other institution, they should be protesting against themselves.

It's not Wall Street's problem if YOU decide to hock yourself (and your family) to the hilt.

  • 11 votes
#1.17 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:10 PM EDT
American Idle

First of all, it's no accident that there has been a massive transfer of wealth. Where did our jobs go? Who made them disappear? How did laws come about to give tax breaks for offshoring? How did laws come about to provide tax havens for corporations like GE and Exxon that paid no taxes in the US and still got millions from the treasury? Why do the wealthy get more tax breaks in order to create jobs and then don't create jobs? Why does some kid go to jail for drug possession, hurting no one but him/herself, yet not one of these these criminal banksters who caused so much misery have been held accountable for their deeds?

If you want to know why things suck, blame the people with the power, not these kids proteststing and not average American workers and consumers who are being exploited, betrayed, and victimized at every turn.

  • 24 votes
#1.18 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
notsojingo

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire who made his fortune as a corporate executive, has said the demonstrators are making a mistake by targeting Wall Street.

"The protesters are protesting against people who make $40- or $50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That's the bottom line. Those are the people who work on Wall Street or in the finance sector," Bloomberg said in a radio interview Friday.

Really? Bloomberg wouldn't remember the last time he was not catered to every second of his life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285353/Wall-Street-workers-crying-silk-hankerchiefs-wages-sink-levels-lower-Great-Depression---213-000-year.html

These folks may benefit from Wall Street waking up to the lower 90%'s unsatisfactory working conditions and wages:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204422404576597503016469330.html?mod=WSJ_Careers_CareerJournal_2

  • 8 votes
#1.19 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:34 PM EDT
sammy sezso

The Grim Creeper

I just heard a bunch of sound bytes that contained a lot of anti-Semitism, ...

Do you have a link for that Grim?

The media coverage of this is spotty and not very accurate all the time. It is very hard for them to get interviews because this is a leaderless movement. It's really hard to interview a "cause".

You can get FACTS about the protest here: http://occupywallst.org/

Why not get the information straight from the horses mouth, so to speak?

  • 11 votes
#1.20 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:51 PM EDT
JohnRussell

I did hear from the horses mouth one of the organizers say a lot of the group are anarchists, revolutionaries and communists.

Oh, and uh, he's proud of it.

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:03 PM EDT
JayTee-3231157

#1.8

Futures totally screwed by Obama's failed policies.

The Tea party went from10s of Thousands on 4/15/10 to 100s of thousands on 9/12/2010, culminating in 63 new DC replacement workers.

We (Tea Party) wished we had this kind of "Media" coverage early on, thus the "grass roots" label for the Tea Party, compared to this Astro Turf for Obama and his class warfare.

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:08 PM EDT
Pat N

Have any of these protesters stated what they hope to accomplish with their protesting? Usually, if there's a protest, there is some sort of change that the participants hope they will accomplish.

So far, I've heard one guy interviewed on TV. When asked what the protests goal was, all he could say was: "Uhhh. It's mong overdue. And we're not going home. We're gonna be here forever!"

So. Is this a publicity stunt? Or is there a means to an end?

  • 12 votes
#1.23 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:53 PM EDT
JayTee-3231157

These Wall street protestors need some financing, where is Soros when Obama needs a stimulus ?

Oh, Soros makes his living on Wallstreet, NEVERMIND.....

  • 5 votes
#1.24 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:58 PM EDT
sammy sezso

JohnRussell

I did hear from the horses mouth one of the organizers say a lot of the group are anarchists, revolutionaries and communists.

Oh, and uh, he's proud of it.

So let us all see the source of your information then! Who are the organizers?

If you people are going to make wild accusations and tell lies they will excused as hearsay. Post a valid link to your source of information and we can discuss it!

Truthful information about this protest can be found at http://occupywallst.org/

  • 11 votes
#1.25 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:15 PM EDT
sammy sezso

Pat N

So far, I've heard one guy interviewed on TV. When asked what the protests goal was, all he could say was: "Uhhh. It's mong overdue. And we're not going home. We're gonna be here forever!"

Did you hear that on faux news? Rush Limbaugh is probably spreading the same crap.

If you want to know the truth about the movement use your computer and do some research. Naa, the facts will only cloud your mind!

  • 8 votes
#1.26 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:23 PM EDT
JohnRussell

Harrison Schultz , who is identified as one of the original organizers of the protest, has said that "a lot " of the group are anarchists , revolutionaries , or communists, including himself. (I believe he considers himself a revolutionary)

He appeared today on MSNBC.

http://johnrussell.newsvine.com/_news/2011/10/03/8128276-wall-st-protest-organizer-a-lot-of-us-here-are-anarchists-a-lot-of-us-are-revolutionaries-we-are-not-interested-in-reform

http://observers.france24.com/content/20110926-occupation-wall-street-protest-encampment-new-york-city-lower-manhatten-usa

  • 6 votes
#1.27 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:24 PM EDT
Auto 101

So let us all see the source of your information then! Who are the organizers?

More people complain when they are too lazy to look it up themselves.

Did you hear that on faux news? Rush Limbaugh is probably spreading the same crap.

Looks like Rush and Fox report the same thing as MSNBC. Does that make them all a load of CR@P?

  • 6 votes
#1.28 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
wayne-3333

The national "get your handout from the gvmt" protest. I guess everyone wants free sh*t.

  • 3 votes
#1.29 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:37 PM EDT
notsojingo

Hope you had better luck finding the same "Harrison Schultz" as was on the interview than I did.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=30&ved=0CGUQFjAJOBQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F100586593669488747434&ei=mmSKTvn_Ocm1twfT-e2dAw&usg=AFQjCNGzOH_MTku7ZoShtdLrV4_A5ZGPDA&sig2=nxQzE51bj3XnUsucAR4WvQ

    #1.30 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
    JohnRussell

    True, he is not a household word yet..

    If you read this article,

    http://observers.france24.com/content/20110926-occupation-wall-street-protest-encampment-new-york-city-lower-manhatten-usa

    you will see Harrison Schultz take on this protest, along with his appearance today on Al Sharpton's show and another MSNBC show, he made his position known.

    He is an ORGANIZER of this protest and says , clearly, that the protest is largely populated by anarchists, revolutionaries and communists. Unless he just doesn't know what he is talking about, as one of the leaders of the whole thing.

    • 4 votes
    #1.31 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:51 PM EDT
    JohnRussell

    ‘This Is Revolution Not Reform’ — Occupy Wall Street Organizer to ‘Excited’ Al Sharpton: We Are Anarchists and Revolutionaries,‘This Is the Beginning of a Revolution in This Country’

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-revolution-not-reform-occupy-wall-street-organizer-to-excited-al-sharpton-we-are-anarchists-and-revolutionaries-this-is-the-beginning-of-a-revolution-in-this-country/

    • 1 vote
    #1.32 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:59 PM EDT
    mountainmike-1199289

    This is the problem:

    Too Big To Fail : 10 Banks own 77 Percent of All US Banking Assets.

    http://wallstreetsectorselector.com/2011/07/too-big-to-fail-10-banks-own-77-percent-of-all-u-s-banking-assets/

    And almost all of the white collar criminal slobs on Wall Street to create the recession are still there - no one having been held fully accountable for their actions.

    If we really want to prevent future economic problems generated by Wall Street white collar crime, then we have to accept that they need to be....

    Aggressively regulate Wall Street white collar criminal slobs

    Aggressively prosecute the white collar criminal slobs that caused the recession.

    And that means up to and including PRISON time.

    No more out of court settlements where white collar criminal slobs can walk out and then still end up being rich and with no criminal charges, free to do it all over again.

    The FED as we know it today gets destroyed. No more ex Wall Street executives pretending to be regulators or somehow protecting American when the real agenda is protecting Wall Street at all costs to the rest of America.

    Wall Street lobbyists get a court restraining order to stay outside of the beltway under threat of prison time and heavy corporate sponsor fines.

    Any legislator, Republican or Democrat, caught selling (pimping) him/herself to Wall Street corporations gets an automatic ethics violation with impeachment proceedings to follow.

    • 16 votes
    #1.33 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:20 PM EDT
    JohnRussell

    mountainmike.

    Good summary, good ideas.

    • 3 votes
    #1.34 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:23 PM EDT
    Auto 101

    How bad was the rescission? My family refused to take part in it.

    • 3 votes
    #1.35 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM EDT
    wize-911967

    I'm a Tea Party sympathizer. I'm also a Wall Street protest sympathizer. In the end they share a similiar cause summed up well by mountainmike. Absolute criminal fraud was perpetrated against the American public by both its political class and financial class. Until we see those responsible serving serious prison terms the problem has not been solved.

    I say "GIVE THEM HELL"!

    • 6 votes
    #1.36 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:57 PM EDT
    George-369262

    I am baffled why folks would protest the private sector, when our government is so dominate that the private sector just takes whatever the government allows them. Nobody cares about fat executive salaries, as long as the economy is good, and folks can make a living. But ever higher taxes, regulations, and anti-business mindset in government has taken a toll on the private sector. Just look at California.

    • 2 votes
    #1.37 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:52 AM EDT
    blazera

    "But ever higher taxes, regulations, and anti-business mindset in government has taken a toll on the private sector."

    1. there are no higher taxes. Remember the Bush tax cut extension? American corporations still enjoy the lowest tax rates in well over half a century, and America has a very low tax rate internationally.

    2. America is one of very few nations not under the Kyoto Protocol, an international effort to lower carbon emissions. Here again corporations enjoy a luxury.

    3. Profits are up. They've been up, they're going up, the recession never hurt the wealthy and isn't going to. All those profits are being hoarded, spent on taking over more of the economy (how many industries does Koch control now?) or going to political bribery. Whoops, did I say bribery out loud? I meant lobbies, and donations.

    I want to move to California.

    • 5 votes
    #1.38 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:01 AM EDT
    Jessica PhamDeleted
    Pat N

    I'm curious as to when Obama will own this economy in the eyes of Dems.

    When he was first elected, admittedly...republicans jumped the gun and started asking where the change was pretty early. Dems said: "Geesh! Give him at least the first 100 days!" So we did. Then we asked where the change was again. Dems said: "Give him at least a year." So we did. Then the mantra was: "He hasn't even had 1/2 a term yet!" After two years, we asked again. Now dems are saying: "You don't expect him to be able to change anything in one term, do you? Give him another!"

    When there were small, positive blips on the radar, Obama and the dems took full credit for them, saying Obama "saved the country from the brink". Yet when there were downturns after that, it was "Bush's fault". Someone explain to me how he can take ownership one minute, but not take ownership for everything that follows? Either he "saved the country from the brink" or he didn't.

    • 8 votes
    #1.40 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:36 AM EDT
    whino33

    occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/

    Most of these demands make a lot of sense....

    • 2 votes
    #1.41 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
    YangBrettDeleted
    dcstone01

    A message was sent by Anonn...in defense of the OWS protestors...and against the police brutality...

    http://dcstone01.newsvine.com/_news/2011/10/04/8146782-anonymous-threatens-to-erase-nyse-from-the-internet?last=1317749701&threadId=3237546&sp=0&pc=25#last_1

    It will be good to see if they CAN make good on it...

    ps 1.42 reported as advertising...

    • 3 votes
    #1.43 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
    Jeremiah-2094437

    Thank you Whino33 ... if that is the source or , goals of this "Movement" I can support it 100%.

    But uh... People don't quit your freakin jobs though... that's just silly.

    • 1 vote
    #1.44 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
    WoodieRae-3499404

    My son asked me about these protests, and I explained what they hoped to gain by amassing in costume. "Change, by way of peaceful resistance" I told him.

    "No offense, Mom, but this whole zombie movement plays like a bad commercial the morbidly rich will just tune out. It's not like congress is going to do anything about it. The morbidly rich keep them employed."

    He's 21, and he already gets it.

    • 6 votes
    #1.45 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT
    American Dreams

    WWoodieRae-3499404

    Wow you raised an intelligent son who can think for himself! Good job of parenting!

    • 4 votes
    #1.46 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
    Got_It?

    #1.28 -

    Since all media is corporate media; YES.

      #1.47 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
      sammy sezso

      The morbidly rich keep them employed

      except about 10-20% isn't employed, depending on who's numbers you trust!

      Good to see parents showing their children that the constitution was just a waste of paper and doesn't mean anything today, and that voicing your opinion in protest of corruption is a waste of time!

      • 3 votes
      #1.48 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
      Got_It?

      Welcome to the real world sammy.

        #1.49 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:59 PM EDT
        notsojingo

        I'm curious as to when Obama will own this economy in the eyes of Dems.

        I can't speak for 'The Dems' entirely, but how about by the end of his second term, like W! If President Obama does anywhere near as @!$%#ty a job as Lil Bushy & Co., I will lambast him even more than I do now, and as much as I do Georgie Porgie!!

        At this point, Obama has nearly emulated/continued every one of the former President's F ups. O has a LOT of catching up to do than just starting to act tough now.

        And yes, I am aware of the Republican Obstructionism. It Is Disgusting. Like most of their Party comes across as.

        • 3 votes
        #1.50 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 2:36 AM EDT
        WoodieRae-3499404

        except about 10-20% isn't employed

        Sammy, please reread the statement. ALL of congress is employed. THEY are the ones kept employed by the morbidly rich.

        And that was a pretty strong stretch of both my words and my son's words to indicate our recognition of Congress's corruption is like negating the purpose of the Constitution, and any verbal dissention of status quo is pointless. That's not apples to apples. That's not even apples to fruit.

        • 1 vote
        #1.51 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:22 AM EDT
        sammy sezso

        I apologize for misunderstanding your statement WoodieRae-3499404.

        I still disagree with your son's statement :

        No offense, Mom, but this whole zombie movement plays like a bad commercial the morbidly rich will just tune out.

        This is not a "zombie movement". This is not a joke. THIS is democracy in action! This is AMERICA speaking out. Doctors, lawyers, teachers and factory workers are all protesting side by side in every major city in America. It is growing daily!

        We will NOT allow them to "tune us out." Our government has no choice but to listen and act! The protests are already planned through the end of the year and into next year already! ...and it's not just here in America either, THIS IDEA OF IS GAINING WORLWIDE SUPPORT! The world is watching America and supporting the people of this movement, Just as we watched in london and greece and spain in recent years.

        The last time we had protesting like this all over America was to end the Vietnam war! This is history in the making.

        "'The establishment is invincible.' 'Protesting is useless.' 'You'll never change anything.' If everyone in the world believed that, then every single country in the world would still be kept in poverty by a ruling monarchy. That's a fact." -Anonymous

        • 3 votes
        #1.52 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
        WoodieRae-3499404

        I stand by your sentiment, Sammy, and applaud your attitude of "it's better to do something than nothing". Unfortunately, it IS Zombies, and they ARE a movement. So near halloween, the movement leads itself to a sense of entertainment and humor. I don't know if that's what they planned, but it is how it's coming across.

        My son, too, wants change. He's working two jobs trying to keep his head above water and doesn't seem to be making progress. He has more of a thug mentality, though, believing the way to best them is to put targets on them, much like the deck of cards in the war against terrorism.

          #1.53 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:43 PM EDT
          American Dreams

          Woodie

          I understand your son's frustrations. Is he still living at home?

          Times are much tougher now for everyone, especially young people. .My oldest daughter, her husband and two grand-kids have landed in our guest bedroom and computer room due to the economy. He works 48 hour weeks up in Chicago and they were living in a third floor, walk up rat-hole, barely getting by due to the cost of living and City, State and Federal taxes.

          He just started a new job here so has not had a full month's pay. They have been paying off their credit card and other outstanding bills. She is "working" as an apprentice at a high end, custom design Tattoo Shop so only gets tips from the artists right now. Once she completes the apprenticeship she has the potential to make a 6 figure income....until then they can't afford to get their own place yet.

          Their 90 days of free ride is at an end, they are to start paying us a token "rent" and contribute to the purchase of food. Just because my husband is FINALLY making a decent wage doesn't mean we have endless resources to absorb the huge jump in our food bill, utilities, the wear and tear on my car and the abuse two young children can afflict on a home without meaning to.

          My youngest is on SSDI and grateful for her Medicaid and Medicare coverage. But we still have to bail her out monthly because $599.00 barely covers her rent. Forget food, clothing, transportation costs. (no car, she can't afford even a beater, let alone gas, insurance and routine maintenance). Our Section 8 housing list is closed so she can't apply for rent help. She has had no luck applying for food stands...she has no children so people with childern (including known illegals with anchor babies) get higher priority over her application. Hungry is hungry, wither you are a child or an adult. (We have Congressmen who own vast amounts of land and farmers being paid NOT to farm and we have thosands of good, hard working people in the US struggling to afford food. Something is just plain WRONG with that picture.)

          http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4736044

          http://www.komu.com/news/farmers-paid-not-to-farm/

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-carr/farm-subsidies-paid-to-112-congress_b_842704.html

          Congressional memebrs already are getting a 6 figure income, unimaginable perks and benefits and now I learn many also make thousands of dollars annually for not farming their land. Why don't the protestors freak out about that?

          Better your son work as he is doing then become one of the Zombies sitting on the curb, getting high, banning a broken drum and blaming Wall Street for not paying the bills he made.

          • 3 votes
          #1.54 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 2:49 PM EDT
          sammy sezso

          Unfortunately, it IS Zombies, and they ARE a movement.

          What makes them zombies in your eyes woodie? They are normal Americans from every walk of life. The idea for this started with just a thought and has grown into what we see today. American people are the very ones you are claiming to be zombies. Are you insinuating that you think that 99% of Americans are zombies?

          I will go along with it being called a movement. Hopefully it causes congress to move and do something.

          You know who really looks like zombies though, is congress, during the budget debacle! Every one of the tea party/republicans sitting there shaking their heads "NO" and saying "we will never raise taxes, new revenue coming to the government is bad!" They are truly zombies controlled by Grover Norquist.

          That really was good for our nation the way they had our credit rating lowered, costing America much more on it's debt from the Bush wars and auto bailouts and the Obama bailouts of wall street. America really made out on that deal didn't we?

          What names did you and your son hang on congress people? The people you know are being employed by the moridly rich?

          My son, too, wants change.

          Then why not encourage him to do something about it besides wishing for it? If you want something in life it takes work we all know that. Change may come sooner if we all stick together! There is power in numbers. United we stand.

          Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. -Rita Mae Brown

          • 2 votes
          #1.55 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:23 PM EDT
          WoodieRae-3499404

          The makeup, Sammy. How are you able to separate the visual from the actual? And I couldn't agree with you more on who the REAL zombies are (touche!) The names we hang on Congress cannot be printed without making my son and I look like guttersnipes. He is spending every waking moment either working or walking to one of his jobs. He has nothing left to fight this battle so badly needing fighting.

          AmericanDreams: Son is living on his own. He is cutting corners wherever possible but has to finish paying off his student loans before he can go back to school and complete his degree. I wish we could help, but we had some pretty hefty medical bills a couple years ago that buried us and leaves us with little room to breathe. We need tires on both vehicles, my tail pipe is bouncing on the bottom of my truck, my kids haven't gone to the dentist in FOUR years, my glasses are super glued together, I have a dog with cancer that is making a mess of my carpet downstairs, and my job is tenuous, at best, because the offspring of the owner of the company is siphoning off the profits. If I open my mouth, I'm out a job. If I keep quiet, I might hang on a little longer.

          He takes seven thousand dollars weekly in cash under the table and bellyaches because Vikings tickets are so expensive.

          I'm all for this movement, and if we can, we'll join the one in Minnesota. But I'm having issues with having to pay $3.50 a gallon of gas to those big corporate execs just to drive down to protest said execs. Arrggggghhhhh! (breeeeeeaatthhhheeeeee!!!)

          • 1 vote
          #1.56 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 5:11 PM EDT
          American Dreams

          Woodie,

          You life is defiantly more stressful then mine at the moment. We just weathered our semi-annual "Drama season" with the youngest. (Ten day stay in the Psychiatric hospital, three days in the Epileptic Monitoring unit and extreme relationship problems with her significant other.) Things should roll along semi-smooth for another 4 or 5 months until the next Drama season starts.

          My youngest can not handle more then a part time job a few hours a week. At 28 she has finally coming to grip with the fact she has health and mental issues and will have the the rest of her life. There are few programs for people like her...she is too high functioning for most of them and the others have waiting lists to get on their waiting list. But she is not able to be totally independent.

          I wish your son luck and send him a boat load of encouragement. If he doesn't burn out or run over by unforeseen events in his life, he will reach his goals.

            #1.57 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
            WoodieRae-3499404

            Thank you, AD!!! Ditto!!

              #1.58 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:51 AM EDT
              judi fermanich

              Like it or not, this is my take on this mess. Seventy years ago a Democrat screwed with the Commerce clause in the Constitution. The Republicans saw it was to their advantage and they too screwed up by continuing the debacle.

              We are brought to this day and the many people who realize that colusion on the part of government and big business has brought us this mess. GET IT, BOTH PARTIES.

              And now Americans are excercising their right to demonstrate against what they see as greed, which begins where it began. Hopefully, some candidate, somewhere will be intelligent enough to understand that Americans are intelligent, thoughtful, and up to their eyeballs with the status quo.

              Socialism is not the answer, at least not as I understand American principles. But change is necessary.

              But good for the many who are parading up and down Wall Street. Good for the disgruntled, fed up Americans, who, for whatever reason; are calling on the carpet the many greedy, overfed, bureaucrats and money makers.

              I just hope enough of those same Americans use good judgement when it comes time to elect someone to the highest office in this country. Do not head towards socialism. Lead back to Constitutional government where equality can mean something and each of us can feel proud to make it here. I am an Independent Republican and proud of it.

              • 1 vote
              #1.59 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 2:18 PM EDT
              bitemore

              #1.59: But good for the many who are parading up and down Wall Street. Good for the disgruntled, fed up Americans, who, for whatever reason; are calling on the carpet the many greedy, overfed, bureaucrats and money makers.

              Thank you! Today, Remote Viewer and I "occupied" DC for just awhile, but for long enough to know those folks are on the right track. We'll be putting up articles with photos later or tomorrow (we're exhausted as you might imagine); but I can assure everyone that the crowd at Freedom Square was immense, motivated, and very well-organized! I was so proud to have been just a small part of it!

              • 3 votes
              #1.60 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
              judi fermanich

              Congrats! bitemore. Excercising your right to assemble and following through. I look forward to seening what you have found. For good or ill, change is coming, isn't it?

              • 2 votes
              #1.61 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT
              TennisMom2

              Bitemore, good on ya!

              • 2 votes
              #1.62 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 7:43 PM EDT
              bitemore

              Thanks, Judi and TennisMom! I just wish we could have parked there for the next several days! My thoughts are with those who actually are staying there... lots of brave souls out there!

              • 3 votes
              #1.63 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 8:02 PM EDT
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              The Puzzler

              The Queens own families Government. The masters of genocide to maintain the Head of the Oroborous. Society re-oganisation via Norman Feudal System. The History of the real "Black" nobility. Blame the Muslims for the war when they make a huge profit of the oil wells. Murdering Poms, and europeans. at least people here have started claims of Genocide against Australia and The so called "queen" Its her family's satanic law system. Yep. The Adversarys System, and who is the Adversary?Keep away from us she devil!!!!!

                #2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:41 PM EDT
                Road Rash

                That makes sense.

                • 5 votes
                #2.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:34 PM EDT
                mountainmike-1199289

                Cantor Promises Oil Speculators That GOP Will Block Financial Regulations
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXJR7eZ_jQ

                A video direct from the horse's mouth with no editorializing. I bet even Republicans can't spin this one away to somehow blame Democrats. Cantor working for Wall Street instead of the American people, who are being victimized by speculation at the gas pumps by these speculator slobs.

                Funny how I have posted this several times with Republicans never responding or even diverting off topic.

                • 7 votes
                #2.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:29 PM EDT
                DonnaJ

                In response to those pretending not to understand the purpose of Occupy Wall Street, here's a simple, and short list:
                1. Place a fee on all Wall Street transactions and tax capital gains the same as income
                2. End corporate personhood and overturn the flawed Citizens United decision
                3. Get big money out of politics through substantive campaign finance reform
                4. Jobs through investment in the public sector and infrastructure, not tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.

                • 9 votes
                #2.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:23 PM EDT
                Auto 101

                here is more.

                Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

                What in their right minds do they think their is enough money to do this?

                Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

                so Bin Ladin can flip burgers before he blows up.

                Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

                because of 11 how can you fund this?

                Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

                Who says what a living wage is?

                Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

                I have no problems with this.

                http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

                • 2 votes
                #2.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:15 AM EDT
                blazera

                "What in their right minds do they think their is enough money to do this?"

                clearly it's not "pay off all debt". It's remove all debt. Those that currently are owed money, won't be getting it back. I don't think we're ready for such a radical change, we'd be killing off most banks, and adjusting to life without them, while other nations continue to use them, would be tough to compete with.

                Debt is a bad thing though, it's a steadily increasing cycle and why banks have gotten "too big to fail". Because, you give out a loan, you get the money back, plus interest. Now you have more money than before. You loan out that money, plus the interest, and get back all the money, plus more interest. Add more clients and the rate of growth increases further, each investment increasing your ability to invest more. Now banks have a vested interest in every industry and damn near every individual business and large purchase.

                And all of this interest has to come from somewhere. With each loan and interest rate accrued, the overall economic system requires more money to be balanced out. It requires money that wasn't originally there.

                So the poor owe more and more, and the rich benefit more and more, from this unstoppable cycle of free money generation. The income disparity then, is on no path to being solved.

                "so Bin Ladin can flip burgers before he blows up."

                well, he's dead, and didn't blow anyone up. People who did though, the 9-11 hijackers, were legally permitted into the country as immigrants. The immigration process is lengthy and burdensome to people who just want to improve their lives and live in a better place, while not adequately protecting us from covert enemies pretending to just want to live or work here. And there's really no way to do that, besides not allowing immigration at all, so we might as well just make it more open. It's clearly not stopping people from coming in, at least we can get them documented on the way in.

                "Who says what a living wage is?"

                ability to afford food, shelter, and transportation. We'll say 50 a week for food, 400+(depending on state) a month for shelter (low end apartments), and whatever the finance payments are for a $1500-2000 car.

                Of course, the minimum wage jobs themselves deserve beyond a living wage for the work they do.

                • 3 votes
                #2.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:07 AM EDT
                DonnaJ

                Auto 101's 'list of demands' was from a list posted by one person on an internet forum...it did not come from the OWS protesters or organizers

                • 2 votes
                #2.6 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 10:13 PM EDT
                sammy sezso

                I tried telling them DonnaJ , They just don't want to be confused by the facts though!

                That public forum post is simply one persons demands as an individual.

                • 4 votes
                #2.7 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 12:20 AM EDT
                sammy sezso

                http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/

                This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group.

                This is a living document. you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.

                Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

                As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

                As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

                They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

                They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

                They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

                They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

                They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

                They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

                They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

                They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

                They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

                They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

                They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

                They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

                They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

                They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

                They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

                They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

                They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

                They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

                They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

                They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

                They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

                They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

                They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

                To the people of the world,

                We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

                Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

                To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

                Join us and make your voices heard!

                *These grievances are not all-inclusive.

                --------edit-------

                Also here is the Working list of goals: https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/

                Auto has been spewing that stuff all over the vine knowing it is just one person's opinion.

                Someone even seeded it as and article!

                • 4 votes
                #2.8 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 12:43 AM EDT
                blazera

                "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices."

                Damnit PETA, this isn't an animal rights protest.

                  #2.9 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:13 AM EDT
                  Jack TX

                  Damnit PETA, this isn't an animal rights protest.

                  OK. You are exactly right...I think....and here is the big problem most of us who are non very-left have with this protest. They're doing it wrong.

                  Pick a thing....one thing....you're upset about...and protest that. That way, the rest of us who don't give a sh*t about lab rats can identify exactly what the hell you want and decide whether we agree with you or not.

                  • 1 vote
                  #2.10 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT
                  dcstone01

                  How many times do I have to explain it...

                  Here goes...

                  The Occupy movement is 'the people' who are upset with the criminal corrupt corporate behavior and the paid off politicians that support them with legislation...This is about Accountability and Justice...and under that general umbrella of wrongs each person has their 'opinons' as to what is the problem...and they are encouraged to share their views...and possible solutions...

                  This is most importantly a PEACEFUL and NON-VIOLENT movement...

                  There is NO one thing or item that is being asked for, NO one demand, there is NO one solution and there are NO one leaders...Each city that 'Occupys' puts together by general approval their own lists...then it will be combined into one for the nation...And the Congress better be listening and prepared to 'act' accordingly at that time...when it comes out...

                  This is NOT a party and this is not a BOX that can be easily labeled based on previous movements or protests......and those that do, particularly those in the media and those opposed to 'protesting' period... are being shown for the fools they are because they don't understand the basic concept of this movement. Soundbites of a few protestors are not 'the movement' those are individual opinons of that particular protestor...

                  • 5 votes
                  #2.11 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:14 PM EDT
                  sammy sezso

                  This is only the beginning of the protests! That list I posted above in #2.8 Is the first official document to come out of this protest. They are also working on their list of demands, it is not complete and is an ongoing work in progress. Be sure to read the page "Our Turn" also but, Here is what they have so far:

                  (Please click on this link if you haven't yet read the introduction called "OUR TURN": https://occupywallst.org/forum/our-turn/ . Feel free to share this link with anyone you like).

                  TACTICS FOR "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"

                  We should make the demands below very publicly at a press conference a few days after arriving in DC. When doing so, we should give a clear deadline of 3 days for a firm written commitment with signatures from at least 60% of members of House and 60% of the members of the Senate to pass these bills by the end of the year. If this commitment on the full slate of demands is not met by midnight on the 3rd day (which it won't be) we should be prepared to non-violently block access to all or part of the Capitol complex the next morning by traditional proven non-violent tactics. The purpose is to bring the leaders of the House and Senate to the negotiating table.

                  NOTE: There are always entrances because there is always a point where people who work there have to leave the public street and enter secure space. We should focus our non-violent direct action and civil disobedience on those entrances no matter where they move them because these are, by definition, always accessible.

                  LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"

                  1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal .

                  2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list.

                  3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media.

                  4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.

                  5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm.

                  6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.

                  7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control.

                  8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight.

                  NOTE 1: This is from Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "Letter from the Birmingham Jail":

                  "Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent-resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood."

                  "The purpose of our direct-action program is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation."

                  Here's the entire "Letter from the Birmingham Jail": http://abacus.bates.edu/admin/offices/dos/mlk/letter.html . It's a treasure and is as timely as ever.

                  NOTE 2: Here's a short video from BBC to inspire you. It gets pretty extraordinary about halfway through: http://youtu.be/lqN3amj6AcE

                  NOTE 3: If you haven't seen these 3 award winning documentaries -- INSIDE JOB, THE CORPORATION, and WHY WE FIGHT -- I highly recommend them.

                  NOTE 4: There needs to be a very well researched and concise addendum that contains a list of the top 50 corporate crimes / harmful actions during the past 15 years. This ought to really blow people away and will help increase support both on the ground in DC and in living rooms across America as the story unfolds. We can't assume everyone knows why these demands are necessary. We must demonstrate.

                  This isn't going to happen overnight. The protesters are in this for the long haul and already have plans through the end of the year and into next! This movement is spreading and now has worldwide support. Occupy Houston and Occupy Dallas start tomorrow(10/6), Occupy El Paso is in 2 days (10/8).

                  "'The establishment is invincible.' 'Protesting is useless.' 'You'll never change anything.' If everyone in the world believed that, then every single country in the world would still be kept in poverty by a ruling monarchy. That's a fact." -Anonymous

                  EXPECT THEM!

                  • 3 votes
                  #2.12 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:37 PM EDT
                  blazera

                  "The Occupy movement is 'the people' who are upset with the criminal corrupt corporate behavior and the paid off politicians that support them with legislation...This is about Accountability and Justice...and under that general umbrella of wrongs each person has their 'opinons' as to what is the problem...and they are encouraged to share their views...and possible solutions..."

                  It makes for a completely un-focused movement, with most people simply not knowing what it is they want. Telling people you're mad won't get you anywhere if you can't give specifics about what you're mad about.

                  • 2 votes
                  #2.13 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 5:55 PM EDT
                  Jack TX

                  There is NO one thing or item that is being asked for, NO one demand, there is NO one solution and there are NO one leaders...Each city that 'Occupys' puts together by general approval their own lists...then it will be combined into one for the nation...And the Congress better be listening and prepared to 'act' accordingly at that time...when it comes out...

                  Exactly my point. Act how?

                  This isn't about action at all. This is about making the protesters feel better. This is about helping them feel less powerless, while proving exactly how powerless they actually are.

                  This is why protesting is the single worst way in the world to accomplish anything, and why most protests to very little more than annoy regular people.

                  The most ridiculously irritating thing of all is the condescending idea that these morons are "raising awareness". F*ck me. You want to "make me aware" of the fact that these rich greedy bastards have no morals. Like I was too stupid to work that out for myself. Like that wasn't as obvious as the sun coming up in the morning. Next you'll be "raising my awareness" that water is wet and fire is hot.

                  Now, if you want me to take some sort of action, spit it out. Otherwise, get the hell out of the way.

                  If you really want to accomplish something, run for office.

                    #2.14 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 5:56 PM EDT
                    sammy sezso

                    blazera, Jack TX,

                    Thank you for pointing out all of the mistakes that the protesters have made and are making and will make. Your observation skills are uncanny.

                    Since you both seem to know so much about political protests, you should send your suggestions to the official e-mail box that occupy wallstreet has set up just for arm chair protesters like yourself. They can all be reached through their website at:

                    http://occupywallst.org/

                    There you will find their official e-mail address and even a forum that you can discuss your brilliant suggestions. They even have a chat room where you can tell them how bad they are messing up their protest in real time so you can get their immediate response!

                    Please send them all of your suggestions immediately before this whole idea is run into the ground by the protesters! They will never be able to continue without you!

                    How they have even made this so big without your help and invaluable insight and knowledge of protests I will NEVER know!

                    • 4 votes
                    #2.15 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 7:53 PM EDT
                    TennisMom2

                    "These morons"... "The great unwashed"....

                    These monikers are inappropriate as well as false. There are all kinds of Americans participating in this/these events.

                    The democrats want to sponsor a bill which would institute a 'millionaire tax' to pay for a jobs program. The GOP won't' even discuss a jobs program. WHAT'S NOT TO UNDERSTAND HERE? The GOP doesn't care about their constituents (who don't seem to care) or the American People who need to awaken from their stupor and vote against the GOP whenever the opportunity arises.

                    • 3 votes
                    #2.16 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:15 PM EDT
                    bitemore

                    #2.15: Please send them all of your suggestions immediately before this whole idea is run into the ground by the protesters!

                    Sammy, I think I love you! FR sent... thanks for your witty comments that pack such a wallop!

                    {{{{{Sammy}}}}}

                    • 4 votes
                    #2.17 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:39 PM EDT
                    Jack TX

                    Please send them all of your suggestions immediately before this whole idea is run into the ground by the protesters! They will never be able to continue without you!

                    Yeah...no. I'm gonna let you handle that. You're obviously giddy with excitement over whatever it is you seem to think you will be able to achieve here. I don't think you have a clue what that actually is, and if you did I don't think the rest of your zombie buddies would agree with you, but you go right ahead and enjoy yourself.

                      #2.18 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 10:25 PM EDT
                      Auto 101

                      Auto has been spewing that stuff all over the vine knowing it is just one person's opinion.

                      Someone even seeded it as and article!

                      Then they have no demands every one wants what they want and no one knows what to get them save for the moon.

                        #2.19 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:23 PM EDT
                        judi fermanich

                        The most awesome fact, for me, in this demonstration is that it appears that Democrat, Republican and Independent all have something to gain by promoting and participating in these demonstrations.

                        Allowing the "powers in place" to villify those with legitimate gripes should not be given space to voice those negative remarks.

                        Fact is, we, the average hard working American is fed up with the status quo. Whether Tea Party member or active participant in these sit ins, Americans, not involved in politics usually, are trying to tell Congress in no uncertain terms; are trying to tell the Supreme Court, in no uncertain terms that enough is enough. Collusion will no longer be tolerated. Theft of taxpayer money will no longer be accepted. Running the country through corporate means will no longer be accepted.

                        And the joining of people who want animal rights, or want any other smaller matter have joined hands trying to force the politicians whom we have elected to listen to us for a change.

                        That is awesome to me; absolutely awesome. I only hope that we have some intelligent life in Washiington listening to what is being demanded. Or these elected officials will be in for a really rude awakening.

                        • 3 votes
                        #2.20 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
                        Jennifer-2446215

                        Judi

                        I like your comment that they are of all political leanings. It shows that what they want is what is best for the country and not what is best for a political party. Good point and a reason to hope for a better working relationship between all parties. That being said, you and I may be a little too optimistic about the powers to be in Washington listening to the cry for compromise and to put the country first. Hope I am wrong.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.21 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT
                        judi fermanich

                        Jennifer- #2.21 I do not think you are wrong. Unless we truly shake up the status quo, nothing of import will change.

                        I suggested on another site that voters seriously consider Ron Paul as a viable candidate. Reason, he actually votes as he has run in the election process. He is disliked by the "powers" because of his demand that Congress live by the Constitution. You know, Equal representation of all; as opposed to corporate decisions that affect the middle class in such a negative way.

                        Americans, at least those with a measure of education, try to think before voting. It gives them an advantage of facts. Poor people, many of them former middle class members, as well as the truly poor, who think with their empty bellies, do not have that luxury.

                        Politicians pride themselves on laws that actually keep the poor in a state of hunger. We, as a nation, do ourselves a disservice by continuing those policies. We should be educating our poor, allowing them to rise above that previous station of life. Then cutting them loose to make decisions made thoughtfully, based on facts, thoughtful discussion, and rationality, not on hunger.

                        That is why so many are on the wall streets of the American shores. Previous middle class members who resent, wholeheartedly the direction this nation is taking. Regardless of the position they take, they are telling Congress to stop paying such close attention to lobbyists of corporations and instead listen to the average voter who actually pays the bills.

                        We had better succeed or this country, this nation will cease to exist and we had better learn to wear headscarves and change our faiths. Muslims, Chinese, and those in the east will be our masters, in truth, instead of in theory.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.22 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
                        Jennifer-2446215

                        Judi

                        I watched Ron Paul dissing the protesters the other day. I do not think he is on your side on this. He too has been a recipient of the John Birch Society and the Koch Bros infusion of funds to his campaign. Don't hate the guy, I just do not agree with his solutions and ideas. Ayn Rand philosophy does not impress me either. It treats human compassion as a weakness and she wound up a total welfare failure.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.23 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 11:51 AM EDT
                        judi fermanich

                        Jennifer, I was reminded that I had confused the Paul family. Ron is the father; a staunch libertarian and not the family member I would choose to run. His son, Rand is the Junior Congressman and he does not exactly follow in his father's footsteps.

                        He does wish for a return to Constitutional government. He believes in less government. I love that concept.

                        And one other thing. I have voted for a candidate I did not always agree with, in both parties. Sometimes overriding factors play a role in who I vote for.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.24 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 3:01 PM EDT
                        Jennifer-2446215

                        Judi

                        I think Rand the younger is worse. Sorry but he is worse. I still have the image of his thug with his boot on the throat of the female protester during the last election and I think he is an Ayn Rand follower also. You can check it out. I also know he is in in bed with the Kochs. Sorry I will not vote for either one of them.

                        • 3 votes
                        #2.25 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 3:16 PM EDT
                        bitemore

                        #2.20: I only hope that we have some intelligent life in Washiington listening to what is being demanded.

                        Intelligent life in Washington? Really? As much as I wish there were, I have serious doubts. I'm not sure I could name someone I would vote for gladly. I may have to do what the rest of us do: choose the lesser of two evils (in some cases, that means flipping a coin or throwing a dart).

                        We still have more than a year to see what shakes out... dare we hope...?

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.26 - Sat Oct 8, 2011 6:53 PM EDT
                        judi fermanich

                        Jennifer, I will follow through and check further into the Pauls. #2.25.

                        In another site, it was suggested that alligators be brought to Washingtion, fenced in and you know... Clean house. I agree with that suggestion as no intelligent life is currently housed in Washington. And I do not care which house you look into.

                          #2.27 - Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT
                          Reply
                          StayWoke

                          Accept the fact that...

                          A CHANGE is Gonna Come...

                          http://youtu.be/ErD-uawYMWE The Fugees

                          • 7 votes
                          Reply#3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:47 PM EDT
                          Meredith Honeycutt

                          Heard a bunch of them being interviewed and they sounded like idiots! They have not a clue what they are talking about or for that matter, fighting for!

                          • 9 votes
                          #4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:58 PM EDT
                          sammy sezso

                          Do you have a link to back up your alleged facts?

                          • 11 votes
                          #4.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:10 PM EDT
                          lovemyplanet-400560

                          I don't know about Meridith but last night I was looking for video to see just what the protesters were protesting. They don't seem to have any of their facts straight. Here's an example:

                          Obama Supporters "Occupy" DC

                          I think it is really pointless protesting the banks. If you want to kill the beast, go after the head (the Federal Reserve) not one of its many tentacles. The banks may concede to some of the protesters wishes ((although I can't seem to find anyone who knows just what those are) but the system will remain the same and the corruption will increase because the Federal Reserve calls the shots.

                          • 4 votes
                          #4.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT
                          Meredith Honeycutt

                          Sammy - first of all what I said is an opinion. But.... since you asked.... http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2011/10/03/jesse-watters-crashes-wall-street-protest?

                          It's a hoot!

                          • 4 votes
                          #4.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:13 PM EDT
                          sammy sezso

                          Meredith, you based your "opinion" on a RUSH transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor" from FAUX news?
                          No wonder you are saying such crazy stuff against this protest!
                          And I doubt you're going to find anyone on newsvine, except tea party/republicans , that will take you seriously using Faux news as a source of your information!

                          You should get your facts from the protesters! That way you will be more informed with truths instead of sound bytes put together to try to make regular people look dumb.

                          Faux news is fictional based comedy.

                          • 7 votes
                          #4.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:10 PM EDT
                          Meredith Honeycutt

                          Did you LISTEN to the sound bite?? I think you might be a protester?

                          • 6 votes
                          #4.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:26 PM EDT
                          American Dreams

                          Sammy sounds like a freakin' parrot whit his constant variation on a theme:

                          "Polly wants a link to back up your alleged facts1?"

                          • 5 votes
                          #4.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:59 PM EDT
                          notsojingo

                          Hate to admit it, but that was a masterful hack job from Fox. Those were definitely some winners Steve picked out in edit. And the unsubstantiated Soros jab was also splendid. As well as the Communist tag on Blondie. And that kid appeared clueless, I agree.

                          Now in fairness, I request you watch a little bit more video that Fox edited out of their attempts to find "dumb protestors" and realized the truth isn't so easily disguised by clever "journalists". http://www.observer.com/2011/10/exclusive-occupy-wall-street-activist-slams-fox-news-anchor-in-un-aired-interview-video/

                          I watched your byte, now it's your turn. Look forward to hearing back from you, Meredith. The Ball is in your Court now.

                          Peace

                          • 5 votes
                          #4.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:06 PM EDT
                          Auto 101

                          And democrats think that just by increasing taxes and spending another 450 billion the country will magical fix it's self. and Everyone will have a job.

                          • 3 votes
                          #4.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT
                          mountainmike-1199289

                          Someone citing Fox News as a source? And they took a random sample of protesters to interview (barf!) which are probably paid actors.

                          • 7 votes
                          #4.9 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:34 PM EDT
                          FlyingEnergy

                          This is so funny. The conservative Wall Street Journals, Market Watch top story is:

                          "Occupy Wall Street is a tea party with brains"

                          Looks like all of you calling the protestors idiots, are the idiots.

                          • 6 votes
                          #4.10 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:16 AM EDT
                          Auto 101

                          Tea party with brains? here is some of what they are protesting for

                          Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

                          What in their right minds do they think their is enough money to do this?

                          Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

                          so Bin Ladin can flip burgers before he blows up.

                          Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

                          because of 11 how can you fund this?

                          Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

                          Who says what a living wage is?

                          Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

                          I have no problems with this.

                          http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

                          • 2 votes
                          #4.11 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:17 AM EDT
                          FlyingEnergy

                          What in their right minds do they think their is enough money to do this?

                          It's called negotiating. You make an outrageous demand and then the other side counters with their compromise. At some point you meet in the middle. I personally think that the credit default swaps and derivative market schemes can only be chalked up to a plan to defund the American populace. That would be a treasonous act. Just because they didn't go door to door demanding your money doesn't mean they didn't take it. You should be outraged that nothing was done, no fines, no jail time, nothing. Enron collapsed after defrauding california and it's investors. People went to jail. The entire country get's the same treatment and nothing happens?

                          • 2 votes
                          #4.12 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:22 PM EDT
                          Jack TX

                          Credit default swaps and derivatives are legal instruments.

                          Off balance sheet money laundering is not.

                            #4.13 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:28 PM EDT
                            FlyingEnergy

                            Yes, they are leagal, but does that make them right. Considering that they manipulated the packaging to claim they where good investments and then bet against them knowing they where bad. That seems like it should be illeagal.

                            • 4 votes
                            #4.14 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 7:10 PM EDT
                            DonnaJ

                            AGAIN, Auto 101's list is the result of one person posting to an internet forum that is not authorized to speak for OWS, its organizers or the protesters.

                            • 1 vote
                            #4.15 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 10:20 PM EDT
                            Jack TX

                            Considering that they manipulated the packaging to claim they where good investments and then bet against them knowing they where bad. That seems like it should be illeagal.

                            Quite possibly. I was just pointing out that actual crimes were committed in the Enron situation. There wasn't any law against credit default swaps.

                              #4.16 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:33 AM EDT
                              sammy sezso

                              This Video is from FAUX too! It is funny as hell! The FAUX reporter gets CRUSHED by the guy he is interviewing!! Too bad it didn't make it on the air. It had too many facts in it so they couldn't put it on the air. Against Faux policy to let facts leak out!

                              The video is unlisted so I hope that this link works!

                              ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yrT-0Xbrn4&amp;feature=youtu.be

                              I also posted it at: http://sezso.newsvine.com/_news/2011/10/05/8159879-occupy-everything-us-protests-have-explosive-potential-plus-the-faux-news-rebuttle-vid-plus-occupy-world-oct-15th-video

                              There are 3 videos on that newsvine seed I just published. I figured all these armchair protesters need something to watch! ;-)

                              • 5 votes
                              #4.17 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:18 AM EDT
                              sammy sezso

                              American Dreams

                              Sammy sounds like a freakin' parrot whit his constant variation on a theme:

                              "Polly wants a link to back up your alleged facts1?"

                              Just keeping you honest dreamer.

                              • 3 votes
                              #4.18 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:30 AM EDT
                              American Dreams

                              Honesty has never been an issue with me...unlike many others on newsvine.

                                #4.19 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 5:17 AM EDT
                                sammy sezso

                                No offense, but I like to see where the facts come from. Too many people claiming rush limbaugh and faux news as sources of information on here imo.

                                Facts can be verified, opinions cannot. http://www.cuesta.edu/campus/student/support/lrnskills/iwyr.htm

                                Why would me asking where anybody's "facts" come from, bother you anyway?

                                Don't trust anything and verify everything!

                                • 5 votes
                                #4.20 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
                                TennisMom2

                                Sammy Sez, Friend Request sent.

                                • 3 votes
                                #4.21 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
                                notsojingo

                                And one more FR, Sammy!

                                Thanks for your dedication. I see your Vineacity Soaring, Friend.

                                :-))

                                Peace

                                • 1 vote
                                #4.22 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 12:04 AM EDT
                                Auto 101

                                AGAIN, Auto 101's list is the result of one person posting to an internet forumthat is not authorized to speak for OWS, its organizers or the protesters.

                                Then Who is and what are their demands I want another link.

                                • 1 vote
                                #4.23 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:24 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                FactOfTheMatter

                                "The protesters are protesting against people who make $40- or $50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That's the bottom line. Those are the people who work on Wall Street or in the finance sector," Bloomberg said in a radio interview Friday.

                                Hiding behind their line level employees, classy.

                                • 15 votes
                                Reply#5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:00 PM EDT
                                sammy sezso

                                FactOfTheMatter, Protesters are protesting against the top 1% in America.

                                Bloomberg is lying as usual. He will say anything to get the protest to stop!

                                Not getting your facts straight before posting is even classier!

                                You can find out FACTS about the protest at the protesters website: http://occupywallst.org/

                                Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.

                                • 17 votes
                                #5.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:16 PM EDT
                                FactOfTheMatter

                                Protesters are protesting against the top 1% in America.

                                Dude, I know that, I'm pointing out that Bloomberg insinuating that they're protesting against the line level employees is--you know what, forget it.

                                Not getting your facts straight before posting is even classier!

                                /rolls eyes

                                • 5 votes
                                #5.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:05 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                grrrrl4ever

                                We'll have to see if this is just a blip in history or the beginning of a movement that many belive is long overdue, the reformation of the American political system. I hope it is the latter. Business, as church, should be separate from the state. I think the US Supreme courts recent ruling on corporate contributions is one of the straws that has finally broken the camels back. The camel's back in this case, is the American people.

                                • 12 votes
                                Reply#6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:04 PM EDT
                                grrrrl4ever

                                True the protest is relatively unorganized at this point, mostly just everyday people coalescing around a shared sense of frustration and anger. If this movement hold, it will organize its self as it evolves and leaders rise.

                                • 7 votes
                                #7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
                                sammy sezso

                                There are no leaders, or no followers! Just everyday American citizens! They know their own way and do not need a leader to follow.

                                This is a leaderless movement!

                                • 5 votes
                                #7.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:18 PM EDT
                                mighty heidi

                                just like the Tea Party Patriots, everyday American citizens. Hopefully this group of protesters will receive better treatment and no name calling and other degradations that the Tea Party has to endure simply for being against wasteful spending.

                                • 6 votes
                                #7.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:22 PM EDT
                                common sense-457836

                                The Tea Party endured name calling and degradations for being shown time and time again beyond the shadow of a doubt to be conceived of and organized from within the Republican party. In addition, the rampant and blatant bigotry and racism of many of it's more vocal members did not help.
                                No such information has yet come to light regarding this movement. If it does, it will deserve equal treatment (although I hope that does not turn out to be reality).

                                • 8 votes
                                #7.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:28 PM EDT
                                mygirl1Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                I listened to some interviews with some of the protesters on NPR. The consensus was essentially that they were students with massive student loans they had to pay back. Then there was some comments about the rich and the corporations but mostly it seemed to be about having to pay back student loans. So, are they protesting having to pay back loans which they took out? Seems like a lot of whining, costuming, chanting and generally hanging out and having a good time. This reminds me of a large college party.

                                • 6 votes
                                #7.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:44 PM EDT
                                lib50

                                The teaparty was created by the corporate elite. Dick Armey, the Kochs, and other PACS who try their best to remain anonymous.

                                http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123859296

                                • 10 votes
                                #7.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:50 PM EDT
                                dcstone01

                                Whereas, 'Occupy' is organized by 'the people'...a 'TRUE' grassroots effort...

                                • 6 votes
                                #7.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:59 PM EDT
                                common sense-457836

                                Then there was some comments about the rich and the corporations but mostly it seemed to be about having to pay back student loans.

                                Education is the key to success both as an individual and as a nation. All of history is a testament to this fact. We are making it increasingly difficult to attain higher education in this country which means the young generation is doomed to choose between a lifetime of wage slavery or a lifetime of crippling debt, both of which degrade our ability to compete as a nation around the globe.
                                As it stands now, anyone who wants to be a professional must assume a large debt burden then spend their working years (if they can even get a job here anymore) paying that debt back instead of spending it in the economy at large. How do you expect the US to prosper if the citizenry is overwhelmingly made up of french-fry cooks and broom pushers?

                                • 6 votes
                                #7.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:59 PM EDT
                                sammy sezso

                                The tea party is built on lies and backed by major corporations. The tea party/republicans holds their pledge to Grover Norquist over their Oath of Office to the American people. The tea party/republicans are a product of the biggest corporations in the world all of which are members of ALEC also!

                                The Tea Party freshmen class is comprised of mostly millionaires, with a dozen or so reported to own assets valued into the eight figure territory in financial disclosure forms: http://ozarkssentinel.com/?p=197

                                If it was as you say and the tea party is against wasteful spending then why aren't they supporting these protesters?

                                The tea party deserves the name calling and degradations they get because of their hypocrisy. The tea party is not for the people. The tea party/republicans are a product of the corporations.

                                • 7 votes
                                #7.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT
                                lovemyplanet-400560

                                The teaparty was created by the corporate elite.

                                The Tea Parties originated back in Dec. 2007 with grassroots Libertarian supporters of Ron Paul endorsing limited government (which we do not have, instead we have a Goliath that plays favorites with globalist corporations and financial institutions), free markets (which we do not have because of government involvement) and less taxation of the people (taxes needed by our gargantuan government to bailout and/or nationalize "private" industry). Their first rallies were on December 16 of that year. Subsequently, they got infiltrated by the GOP and large donors. The same will happen to these protests if it has not already happened.

                                • 3 votes
                                #7.9 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:14 PM EDT
                                sammy sezso

                                The same will happen to these protests if it has not already happened.

                                I don't think so lovemyplanet-400560, So far there has been NO support, or offering of any support, that I know of, from ANY fortune 500 corporations.

                                We don't need their corrupt money to bring these truths to light! They can not buy us out like they did to the tea party/republicans.

                                The message is spreading around the world as we type, Corporations are no doubt making plans to try to stop these protests and protect their a$$ets.

                                • 7 votes
                                #7.10 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:32 PM EDT
                                Road Rash

                                I don't think so lovemyplanet-400560, So far there has been NO support, or offering of any support, that I know of, from ANY fortune 500 corporations.

                                The NY Police, on the other hand, have some support...

                                • 4 votes
                                #7.11 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:45 PM EDT
                                Got_It?

                                The establishment has been promoting civil unrest for a while now. All the policies are in place for martial law.

                                • 3 votes
                                #7.12 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:50 PM EDT
                                TennisMom2

                                These protesters are the opening salvo against what is the root cause of our problems; two unfunded wars, lower taxes for the rich and the collapse of our economy.

                                Yeah, so some of them are students protesting their loans. Loans made at high interest rates after the GWB administration handed over funding to the banks. Some of these kids owe $100k. "Get a job!" they are told. I'm sure they would be glad to oblige, only there aren't any jobs for them. Not only that, but they won't get any medical insurance either. Forget buying a home someday or even being able to afford rent.

                                These 'useful idiots' are our future. Thank your lucky stars that at present they are protesting peacefully for the time being.

                                • 10 votes
                                #7.13 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:03 PM EDT
                                lovemyplanet-400560

                                sammy sezso,

                                The Tea Parties were not so much bought out as they were infiltrated. It took about a year, year and a half, but it happened. What is being protested is in part what the original Tea Parties were protesting. The problem is, the government is being asked to solve a problem the government created. They will "solve" the problem by giving more of the people's money back to them in the form of "entitlements" and many will fall for it. But how can the government, or the banks that control it, give you what they don't own? Give you what is, in fact, yours? I agree that multinational corporations are going to make plans to protect their assets. They have arms in every country and militaries, through corrupt governments, to defend them. The solution, as I see it, is to deprive the beast of life. The government created this problem by installing the Federal Reserve (which controls every single FDIC member bank in this country). The Federal Reserve, in turn, owns our government through the printing of fiat money, buying treasuries with fiat money, loaning fiat money back to our government and then charging interest on those loans. It controls our economy, the banks are just its minions, and it has our country in a strangle hold. The only way to defeat it is to elect representatives who will disband it and reduce the size of government. Continuing to financially support the problem will not end the problem. The Tea Parties wanted to End the Fed, that was/is one of their mantras. And it was, I suspect, one of the main reasons they were infiltrated by corporate agents and "bought", as you call it, by their donations.

                                So far there has been NO support, or offering of any support, that I know of, from ANY fortune 500 corporations.

                                If there was any participation by any of the so called "alternative media" controlled by the Progressive Left, then these protests are in fact already bought out.

                                • 1 vote
                                #7.14 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:04 PM EDT
                                lovemyplanet-400560

                                The establishment has been promoting civil unrest for a while now. All the policies are in place for martial law.

                                Yup.

                                • 4 votes
                                #7.15 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:06 PM EDT
                                Auto 101

                                You have Unions support.

                                  #7.16 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:14 PM EDT
                                  Got_It?

                                  The root cause of our problems is a system based on infinite growth on a finite planet.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #7.17 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:18 PM EDT
                                  notsojingo

                                  The root cause of our problems is a system based on infinite growth on a finite planet.

                                  As promoted by the Servicing Industries enriched by Growth At Any Cost Profits.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #7.18 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:09 PM EDT
                                  BJK-798627

                                  There are no leaders, or no followers! Just everyday American citizens! They know their own way and do not need a leader to follow.

                                  Inevitably, a leaderless movement fragments into factions and peters out very quickly.

                                  Your understanding of history seems extremely shallow, Sammy Sezso.

                                  Considering the horrible state of public education these days, I'm not surprised.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #7.19 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:24 PM EDT
                                  mountainmike-1199289

                                  If all 350 million of us wanted to act in our own best interests, we would join the protests against Wall Street. The same dynamics as Libyans finally taking on Gadhafi as the tyrant slob he has been.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #7.20 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:38 PM EDT
                                  Pat N

                                  If all 350 million of us wanted to act in our own best interests, we would join the protests against Wall Street. The same dynamics as Libyans finally taking on Gadhafi as the tyrant slob he has been.

                                  Nope. It's not the same dynamic at all. The Libyan rebels had an actual goal in mind. To ouster Gadhafi. They also had at least a basis of a plan on how to achieve that goal.

                                  The unwashed masses protesting Wall Street have no goal. None of them have the foggiest idea why they're there or what they want the outcome to be.

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #7.21 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT
                                  BJK-798627

                                  Exactly. Although I suspect many of them are there simply for the sake of getting attention.

                                  In and of itself, a peaceful protest is a wonderful exercise of First Amendment Freedoms.

                                  But a protest with no organization, leadership, or defined goals either fizzles out or degenerates into mob anarchy.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #7.22 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:05 PM EDT
                                  Pat N

                                  In and of itself, a peaceful protest is a wonderful exercise of First Amendment Freedoms.

                                  But a protest with no organization, leadership, or defined goals either fizzles out or degenerates into mob anarchy

                                  Very well put. And if I were a bettn' gal, I'd wager that this one will fizzle out. The type of people we're seeing in this "protest" tend to be an instant-gratification crowd that has a short attention span if no one directs them regarding what they're supposed to be thinking.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #7.23 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:15 PM EDT
                                  American Dreams

                                  #7.10

                                  I don't think so lovemyplanet-400560, So far there has been NO support, or offering of any support, that I know of, from ANY fortune 500 corporations.

                                  We don't need their corrupt money to bring these truths to light! They can not buy us out like they did to the tea party/republicans.

                                  The message is spreading around the world as we type, Corporations are no doubt making plans to try to stop these protests and protect their a$$ets.

                                  Sammy has to be a protestor blogging his way to fame. He first said there has been no support or offering of support from the 500 companies and then goes on to say " Money? MONEY???? We don't NEED no stinkin' money...

                                  What these numbnuts ignore is the $250 billion in TARP money poured into the banks had made a $16 BILLION profit for the Taxpayers...finally something Obama and crew can show their idea worked.

                                  -As Treasury gets ready to shut down the spending phase of the TARP program on Oct. 3, it now expects to turn a $16 billion profit on the $250 billion it plowed into banks in 2008 and 2009.

                                  However, the final price tag for TARP is estimated around $50 billion. The Congressional Budget Office in August had estimated a $66 billion loss. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is expected to brief President Barack Obama on Sept. 30 on the brighter outlook. (A BRIGHTER OUT LOOK? Hey boss good news we lost 66 billion but made a 16 billion profit in one area! )http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_41/b4198029649845.htm

                                  Jill Schlesinger is quoted:

                                  Yes, this is a drop in the bucket relative to the trillions of dollars that the government has pumped into the system and I fully expect that there will be those who poo-poo the results. But given the circumstances, I would prefer that the government actually make money than lose it.

                                  Is she trying to put lip stick on a pig by trying to play up this tiny gain? And yes, some , like myself are slighted lifted up by the gain but in general "poo poo" the results because the over all lost far out weighs the gain made in one area. Hemorrhaging red ink is still red ink even after you add a drop of black ink!

                                  And well DUH! we would all prefer the government make money then lose it...Like it has with the 1/2 billion Obama approved for Solyndra. And on Sept 13 the Adminstrion approved another $1.2 billion "loan" to other green energy firms. Talk about throwing good money after bad! Ever the insane optimist : doing the same thing over and over but expect a different result. But this is a topic for another whole seed. You write it, I got to go take care of my grandkids.

                                  Read more: http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/financial-decoder/the-us-government-made-money/654/#ixzz1ZpG8LEp4

                                  http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/277131/doe-announces-12-billion-loan-solar-firm-andrew-stiles

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #7.24 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT
                                  sammy sezso

                                  Sammy has to be a protestor blogging his way to fame. He first said there has been no support or offering of support from the 500 companies and then goes on to say " Money? MONEY???? We don't NEED no stinkin' money...

                                  Nope wrong yet again American Dreams. Your ASSumption is wrong about me!

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #7.25 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT
                                  Rusty in PA

                                  Then there was some comments about the rich and the corporations but mostly it seemed to be about having to pay back student loans.

                                  Education is the key to success both as an individual and as a nation. All of history is a testament to this fact. We are making it increasingly difficult to attain higher education in this country which means the young generation is doomed to choose between a lifetime of wage slavery or a lifetime of crippling debt

                                  Then why aren't they protesting the colleges and universities whose cost continues to rise faster than inflation?

                                  Why are they protesting the banks? If one asks a bank for a student loan and the bank grants that loan request, what has the bank done wrong?

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #7.26 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
                                  RuthAnn-595820

                                  If they start marching on the college campus' to protest the rate at which the cost of education has skyrocketed I will join them!

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #7.27 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
                                  Jeremiah-2094437

                                  @Rusty in PA.

                                  gave them a loan they knew they couldn't pay back...

                                  it's almost as bad as a crack dealer giving crack to a 12 year old knowing that they'll be coming back over and over and over again until all the poor crackhead has left to pay with is his soul, and we kinda know how much that's worth to someone working for profit...

                                  I know it's the 12year old crackheads fault for smoking the crack, and the college students fault for taking the loan, ... but.... someone has to be responsible for the customer.. don't they?

                                  :D

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #7.28 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:18 PM EDT
                                  Rusty in PA

                                  gave them a loan they knew they couldn't pay back..

                                  A student loan is given under the pretense that the education will create a marketable skill and the student will be able to pay the loan back. It is speculation on the future. There is no guarantee that the student will or won't be able to pay the loan back.

                                  someone has to be responsible for the customer.. don't they?

                                  Shouldn't the (adult) customer be responsible for oneself?

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #7.29 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
                                  Jeremiah-2094437

                                  hehehe .. but if they were we wouldn't be in the mess we are today would we? :D

                                  forclosures and all.. :(

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #7.30 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:01 PM EDT
                                  American Dreams

                                  Sammy..

                                  Where is your link to prove I am wrong?

                                  By the way nice work around to avoid out and out CoH violation.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #7.31 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
                                  common sense-457836

                                  Then why aren't they protesting the colleges and universities whose cost continues to rise faster than inflation?

                                  Why are they protesting the banks?

                                  There are protests against tuition costs all the time. But you can at least make the case that money taken in by universities is often spent on academic research, learning centers, etc. and other things that provide a tangible benefit to society. The majority of bank income is spent on private yachts.

                                  (Don't try to make a point that banks take in money enabling them to lend more - in the business and home sector they aren't lending a damn thing these days. It's literally primarily going to yachts.)

                                  If one asks a bank for a student loan and the bank grants that loan request, what has the bank done wrong?

                                  The students have no other option. Federal subsidies are a great help (and help improve the overall productive capacity of the country to boot) but these are being gutted left and right. Banks charge extortionist rates, ostensibly for assuming risk yet without assuming one iota of risk at all. Do you think there's a chance that if the bank invests in the wrong student, they don't get their money back? Nope. They're on the hook for life. It's not an investment or an educated gamble, it's usury with the downside only applicable to some poor kid.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #7.32 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
                                  Got_It?

                                  Common sense -

                                  "The students have no other option"

                                  This is far broader of scope than student loans. We have adapted to the system and have become dependent on corporations and government to provide for our needs. The injustices that we protest against will only change if the ones in power wish it; because at the end of the day we are still dependent on them to live.

                                  These protestors want to do something that will actually make an impact on wall street or banks or whatever the hell they are protesting? They should work towards becoming independent of corporations and state in all their essential needs. It takes a lot of work to accomplish this and is best done on the local levels because the main theme is to localize resources(convert lawns into edible gardens, work close to home, legalize hemp for cheap domestic fuel, etc etc.) I doubt these people ever had a hard days work in their life.

                                  Action speaks louder than words, the burden is on the consumers to make the change. Unfortunately, most consumers choose convenience over responsibility. Our way of life destroys the environment on a massive scale which in turn reduces our capacity to live on this planet, I don't get too involved in the social movement that does not have the proper solutions at hand- most of these people just want to keep the system we have but don't want any of the inherent flaws; it's like a junkie wanting heroin that doesn't destroy their body when they shoot it up...

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #7.33 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT
                                  sammy sezso

                                  American Dreams

                                  Sammy..

                                  Where is your link to prove I am wrong?

                                  http://twoshekels.com

                                  Where's your link that says YOU are correct?

                                  By the way nice work around to avoid out and out CoH violation.

                                  no idea what you are talking about!

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #7.34 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:07 PM EDT
                                  Got_It?

                                  What does that link prove exactly? That the domain twoshekels is possibly for sale?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #7.35 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT
                                  American Dreams

                                  Sammy

                                  By the way nice work around to avoid out and out CoH violation.

                                  no idea what you are talking about!

                                  I kind of ASSumed you would not have a clue

                                    #7.36 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 5:20 AM EDT
                                    TennisMom2

                                    Pat N:

                                    The unwashed masses protesting Wall Street have no goal.

                                    It is that contempt and ignorance on your part which will come back to bite you in the posterior. The 'unwashed masses' work, pay taxes and struggle. The more taken away from them, the more the wealthy enjoy in the form of tax breaks, give aways and raw power. The wealthy and corporate giants enjoy their position due to these 'unwashed masses' whom you despise.

                                    I wish Keith Olbermann could read your post on his news program. It might galvanize us even more.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #7.37 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
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                                    mighty heidi

                                    why aren't these kids protesting at the White House the failed obama policies of four years of democrat control that have resulted in this misery. How about it kiddies start protesting "Fast and Furious" scandel, the solyndra scandel, the billions of your money wasted with nothing to show for it. No jobs for you, but thanks a trillion for the debt obama has dropped on you to pay off.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    Reply#8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:12 PM EDT
                                    Jeremiah-2094437

                                    because a stone had to be thrown and if you throw one at the white house you like don't get to participate again... ever.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #8.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:20 PM EDT
                                    sammy sezso

                                    mighty heidi

                                    ...the billions of your money wasted with nothing to show for it.

                                    Like the money Bush spent on his 2 illegal wars for nothing? Or the Bush tax cuts for the rich? Or the Bush bailout of the wall street financial firms? The way corporations are not paying taxes, but getting subsidies?

                                    What you said and what I said is why they are there! That and many other reasons too.

                                    Have you looked at the website the protesters have setup for this occupation of wall street? It's NOT just kids either, there are teachers, professors, lawyers, doctors, military, retired people, It is a slice of the American population! 99% Vs. 1%

                                    I am with the 99% and support their efforts.

                                    http://occupywallst.org/

                                    You will get more facts about the protest if you actually look at what the protesters have put out. The media is trying to downplay the movement that is just starting, and are giving conflicting information because they do not have a clue as to what is wrong with America!

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #8.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:43 PM EDT
                                    common sense-457836

                                    Because none of them care about your laundry list of partisan axes to grind heidi. Your little partisan jab contributes nothing to what is actually happening here.

                                    p.s. Explain how the national debt results in lower employment. You can't.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #8.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
                                    Naughtia

                                    did you have to repeat your comment again, heidi? it didnt fly the first time. WE all know the mess started under bush inc, The GOP doubled records on filibusters. All of Obama spending has been fighting the recession. Every economist outside of the heritage foundation says it saved us from a depression, and you want to blow up crap about some bankrupted solar firm that got less money 3 days of iraq? really?

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #8.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:07 PM EDT
                                    Auto 101

                                    That money didn't just disappear in Iraq A lot went to the troops and they have had their house holds stimulated by buying a lot of things like cars, and TVs, Computers, ect. paying with cash spending thousands. Why do you think so many are volunteering for more deployments.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #8.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:21 PM EDT
                                    mountainmike-1199289

                                    mighty heidi

                                    Why aren't they protesting against Obama?

                                    Duh? Maybe because Republicans need to get their lips surgically removed from Wall Street's butt.

                                    Who repealed the Glass-Steagall Act to deregulate Wall Street? REPUBLICANS.

                                    Who passed the Modernization of Commodities and Futures Act to provide white collar criminal slobs loopholes to exploit? REPUBLICANS.

                                    Both parties have their issues. But make no mistake about who enabled Wall Street to collapse our economy. REPUBLICANS.

                                    • 8 votes
                                    #8.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT
                                    TennisMom2

                                    MightyHi, it was during GWB's tenure that the banks were given the green light to fund student loans. They didn't do it because they are nice guys. They did it for profit, pure and simple. The interest rates were not only raised but became effective immediately, like a mortgage. Stafford loans are federally subsidized but are not easy to get.

                                    I have two nephews who will owe $90k for their college degrees this June. They are marketing majors. Getting a degree in the 'right' subject was supposed to make these kids employable. Now they can't get hired as waiters. That means the less-educated won't have a snowball's chance of getting that waiter/waitress job. What are they supposed to do, apply for a job in Bangalore?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #8.7 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT
                                    echo82

                                    Mightyheidi: the question should be--why aren't you protesting and why did you give the prior admin a pass on all the policies that led us to where we are today? People are speaking out, it would do you well to listen to what they are saying.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #8.8 - Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:45 PM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    Jeremiah-2094437

                                    Whew.... I'm hoping that a sensible solution can be found.

                                    I'd rather not be the Butt end of some third world countries coffee tables joke.

                                    Let me get this kinda semi straight... the Protesters are Protesting against corperate greed and wish for the redistribution of wealth.... right?

                                    Jobs?

                                    Inflation?

                                    or the blending of the lower class and upper class to recreate the middle class?

                                    I'm so confused, because even poor people have flat screen televisions today...

                                    Has anyone noticed that our poor people in this country make some countries poor people look .... you know... poorer?

                                    Maybe we blended the middle so much that the poor don't know they're poor? and that their 25,000 per year makes them middle class?

                                    Or.. that we don't actually require anything of our Lower class.. and instead dump monies into a coffer for them and that that coffer isn't distributing enough wealth to them so that they can not be poor but middle class, without ... you know ... working for it?

                                    I get the system is broken and that there needs to be something done about the "greed" the wealthy seem to inherit... but I also see a line, and that line is pretty well defined.

                                    Lazy... vs. not lazy. that's pretty clear to me.

                                    I see people on welfare (who are in no way shape or form will be at these protests due to the comfort of their lives) ... who live decent lives.. and fairly care free.

                                    I'm working and struggle to make ends meet. that just don't seem fair to me.

                                    I get that wall street cooperate c.e.o's and the corporations themselves make far too much money for their weight, but I also understand that those same gazillions pay more taxes in one year than I do in my life... so.... I have a hard time thinking I need to squeeze their lemon without seeing mine get pinched for a little more.

                                    I think... the super rich... if they bail us out of this mess .... will be appreciated... and hopefully they'll decided what wealthy enough is.. .and kick back the rest to the country that they profess to love... but .. it's alot to ask of someone.

                                    I dunno who's right here, but I know we all can't be.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#9 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:14 PM EDT
                                    grrrrl4ever

                                    True some of our "poor" if they are lucky enough to have jobs make far more than many others in the world. Problem is, they live here in the United States of America. Think about it a bit, a person living on $8.00 per hour and working 40 hours per week if they are lucky, take home what, $260.00 per week? They pay the same $3.50 to $4.50 per gallon of gas as someone making $60.00 per hour, the same sales tax. The recommended amount spent on housing is 30% -38% of income. This allows such a person just under $400.00 per month for an apt or the American dream of owning a home at 35% of their income. Have you seen the type of housing that costs under $400.00 per month? What about health care costs, food, utilities, higher education etc. For a single person its pretty grim. Imagine having a child as well to support.

                                    • 11 votes
                                    #9.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:30 PM EDT
                                    Jeremiah-2094437

                                    Living within my means is difficult, ...

                                    Living with No means should be darn near impossible.

                                    I'm not sure what the problem is.... other than too many smart people and not enough ... wait.. here this works better.

                                    Tooooo many chiefs and not enough indians.

                                    The cool thing about the early 50's work force... everyone knew they were a bee.

                                    today... everyone thinks they're a queen bee.

                                    yeah .. I don't know, but I do know if this gets ugly... no one gets what they want.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #9.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:51 PM EDT
                                    mygirl1

                                    Occupy Wall Street should head over to Washington DC. I'd be more impressed and take them more seriously if they went to the place where all the rules, pork, entitlements, lobbyists etc. reside. They will accomplish very little and not get the attention they want dressed in Zombie costumes with dollar bills stuck to their heads. Serious issues should be addressed intelligently and the power source is Washington DC. Guarantee if they headed there they'd get the attention. Politicans would be watching and worrying about their re-elections and a large prostest in their backyard would really stir them up.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #9.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:52 PM EDT
                                    bitemore

                                    #9.1: Have you seen the type of housing that costs under $400.00 per month? What about health care costs, food, utilities, higher education etc. For a single person its pretty grim. Imagine having a child as well to support.

                                    IS there housing for under $400/month? And, if there is, you can bet that there will be NO jobs available, at any wage. If everyone who wanted a job could get one, and at a living wage, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. But, you obviously understand this; I am just reinforcing your very astute comment.

                                    What the greedy 1% don't seem to realize is that, if everyone who wanted a job was able to get one, AND earn a living wage, the rich would actually get even richer and everyone would pay less taxes. Ten people paying $1 each is a LOT better than one person paying $10. If the greedy 1% would sacrifice their unused profits and bonuses for two years and put everyone who is out of work now into decent jobs, consumers would start consuming again and the people who are newly employed would actually have real work to do to earn their paychecks, and the greedy 1% would end up making a profit on the investment in PEOPLE!

                                    But, that won't happen, at least not with the consent of the greedy 1%. And THAT is why Wall Street is being occupied.

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #9.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:53 PM EDT
                                    dcstone01

                                    Occupy Wall Street should head over to Washington DC

                                    'Occupy' will be where ever the 'locals' create and organize a branch of 'Occupy' protests...if the people of DC want to join the protesting then they have to 'organize it' themselves...

                                    BUT...

                                    Rebuild the Dream is in DC right now Oct 3-6th, with calls for the 'Week of Action' to contact elected officials Oct 10th-16th...

                                    and

                                    Enough is Enough will be there on the 29th...

                                    These groups are not part of the 99%, their plans were made before the 'Occupy' protests started...but they still encourage people to 'protest' and make their voices known...It's good to see so many different people and different groups striving for positive 'non-violent' peaceful' change...

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #9.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:09 PM EDT
                                    bitemore

                                    #9.5: Rebuild the Dream is in DC right now Oct 3-6th, with calls for the 'Week of Action' to contact elected officials Oct 10th-16th...

                                    Since we can make it to just one of these, we're trying to choose one... odds are we'll be at one of these rallies very soon.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #9.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
                                    sammy sezso

                                    you wanted you got it mygirl1! Washington will be occupied starting in a couple of days!

                                    October2011 and OccupyWallStreet have endorsed each others’ actions. They are working in solidarity with each other!

                                    The October2011 Movement is planning an occupation and nonviolent resistance actions in Washington, DC starting on October 6, 2011. This date marks the 10-year anniversary of the U.S. war in Afghanistan and the first week of the new federal budget which provides unlimited funding for war, tax breaks for the wealthy and austerity for human services.

                                    Thousands of people have pledged to gather in Freedom Plaza beginning on that day to nonviolently disrupt the disloyal, incompetent, and corrupt special interests which have usurped our nation’s civil and military power, spawning a host of threats to our liberty, lives and national security.

                                    http://www.usdayofrage.org/calendar/event/7-

                                    The movement will NOT be stopped!

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #9.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
                                    JohnRussell

                                    I have nothing against left wing protests. I was in a few in my younger days. But OWS is being revealed as a left wing operation ( the leadership appears to be radicals) and it will not succeed in the United States of America.

                                    We'll have to find another way of bringing down Wall St.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #9.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:28 PM EDT
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                                    Bill K. NY

                                    Other then "tax the rich" what is their message? These people are not the unemployed who are unable to find jobs. They are the community organizers with no clear message other then "we don't like something." They are not sure what they don't like but they know what they don't like when they see it.

                                    • 6 votes
                                    Reply#10 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT
                                    common sense-457836

                                    How did you do your research Bill? I can't wait to hear all about it.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #10.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:31 PM EDT
                                    JohnRussell

                                    Bill has a point.

                                    "I can’t speak on behalf of everyone, but I personally want everything to change. I no longer support our archaic political institutions nor our education system, which dates from the last century. We need new social protections and to organise a complete overhaul of the financial system.

                                    As you can see, many of the people participating in Occupy Wall Street are people with radical ideas. There are some anarchists, unions and communists. If our demands seem scattered, it’s because the revolution should be a total revolution. On Wall Street we exchange, we explore – it’s like a laboratory of ideas. More than that, we have a good time and we’re in no rush."

                                    Harrison Schultz

                                    'Occupy Wall St.' organizer

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #10.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:25 PM EDT
                                    Steve Allen-2200609

                                    I suggest that you look at other country's standard of living and the social programs available to those people living in those countries, then say you want that to be how America is.

                                    I chuckle when someone mentions the Tea Party when clearly they do not know the history of the Tea Party. Why did English subjects, living in America, dump tea into Boston Harbor in protest ?

                                    The did so because the English king and parliment levied taxes upon the tea coming from america purchased at a steep discount from Dutch traders, and sold to England. That tea sold to England from America circumvented the East India Company's monopoly on tea. The English King levied the taxes upon the English colonists in America so as to pay the East India Company.

                                    The English colonists in America, with their revolt against the tea tax, sparked the American Revolution, so that they could continue selling goods and services at large profits without having to pay the taxes levied by the King of England thus pay the East India Company who had a monopoly on tea trade to England. [yes there were other reasons for founding America including that of religious freedom but that's not a large part of the tax revolt and American revolution].

                                    The irony today is, we now have protests against increased taxes by the very government that was founded on tax revolt. Yet, we have these protesters who want socialism, where wealth is distributed equally among the population. The only way to redistribute wealth, is to tax. The very thing those people 200 years ago revolted against.

                                    The other irony is, if you remove wealth or the ability to create wealth, those with the wealth will go elsewhere.

                                    The very idea of redistribution of wealth from the wealthy to the not so wealthy, simply vanishes. Without the wealthy, then how does one redistribute wealth?

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #10.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:13 AM EDT
                                    blazera

                                    "I suggest that you look at other country's standard of living and the social programs available to those people living in those countries, then say you want that to be how America is."

                                    K. I want America to be like Belgium, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland. They all have higher tax rates (Belgium's the highest in the world), more social programs, rank higher in democracy indexes, and have a much lower income inequality ratio. That last one is no big feat, as the US just barely beats Iran in that category.

                                    "Why did English subjects, living in America, dump tea into Boston Harbor in protest ?"

                                    taxation without representation. They didn't revolt against taxes, a government can't exist without taxes.

                                    "if you remove wealth or the ability to create wealth"

                                    even with a massive tax increase, they'll still be plenty wealthy.

                                    "those with the wealth will go elsewhere."

                                    well, no, they do what they've been doing and send jobs overseas, while still living in America. And, that's with the lowest tax rates in over half a century. Countries with much higher tax rates aren't facing nearly as much of an outsourcing problem. See, even if you get rid of all taxes, there's still incentive to outsource, because you pay third world wages for first world profit. No amount of tax cut will change that, and nothing short of making it illegal will hinder its proliferation.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #10.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:42 AM EDT
                                    JayTee-3231157

                                    blazera

                                    I want America to be like Belgium, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland

                                    You are a minority, good luck trying to convert the "Majority" of Americans. You basically want to dumb down the Constitution, and put Government into the middle of your freedom to succeed, or freedom to fail, based upon your education, your efforts, and your abilities to live in a Capitalist society.

                                    I suggest you move to a country that you love, as you don't love what America is, and what it represents, and "how it works". You want the "utopia" just over the horizon, run by the "social Justice" government who makes all the decisions for you in life.

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #10.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
                                    lib50

                                    You basically want to dumb down the Constitution,

                                    What does that mean?

                                    I suggest you move to a country that you love, as you don't love what America is, and what it represents, and "how it works

                                    Perhaps you might want to check out that bastion of freedom from government, Somalia, and get a preview of life with a government that doesn't work. Your pure capitalistic "utopia" doesn't exist either. Personally I want a better mix of good government and capitalism.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #10.6 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:37 PM EDT
                                    JayTee-3231157

                                    lib50

                                    The Constitution does not represent the governments of Begium, Japan, Norway, etc....it's a much better document, and you want it to be dumbed down.....as you said....

                                    I want America to be like Belgium, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland

                                    As for your correct observation...

                                    Your pure capitalistic "utopia" doesn't exist either

                                    No it doesn't, and I didn't claim Capitalism to be a Utopia, neither do I fault Capitalism because it doesn't create the unattainable "Utopia".

                                    Capitalism has been shown to work better than just about all other Systems of Government......Greek, France, England, Russia, China......in terms of how the People live, freedom and opportunity to advance your way in life, Personal property ownership in the Country that everyone wants to Immigrate to, America.

                                    Personally I want a better mix of good government and capitalism.

                                    As does most everyone in America, and Obamacare is the opposite direction to "Mandate" for good government, government between you and your Doctor.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #10.7 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
                                    dcstone01

                                    for good government, government between you and your Doctor.

                                    As opposed to a 'for profit' insurance company getting between you and your DR...determining if the 'Doctor' is correct or not in their diagnosis and requests for tests/treatments and rationing what kind of care they are willing to pay for your healthcare...That only cares about the company's bottom line and not 'your health'...

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #10.8 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:30 PM EDT
                                    blazera

                                    "You are a minority, good luck trying to convert the "Majority" of Americans."

                                    You're changing your messages around. You told me to look at other countries, and see if that's how I want America to be. So I did, and I do.

                                    "You basically want to dumb down the Constitution, and put Government into the middle of your freedom to succeed, or freedom to fail, based upon your education, your efforts, and your abilities to live in a Capitalist society."

                                    like I said, the countries I listed score higher on democracy indexes.

                                    "I suggest you move to a country that you love"

                                    I gladly would, if not for that horrid income inequality America has I mentioned earlier. Working full time, 12 hour nights at minimum wage won't even get me the plane tickets to visit there for a day, much less deal with the lengthy process of moving there.

                                    "as you don't love what America is, and what it represents, and "how it works""

                                    could you explain it to me?

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #10.9 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:24 AM EDT
                                    blazera

                                    "The Constitution does not represent the governments of Begium, Japan, Norway, etc....it's a much better document, and you want it to be dumbed down.....as you said...."

                                    oh please sir, do tell me about the constitutions of the other countries. You must know, it's the only way you could possibly know that ours is better. Or did you not know that they, and most countries in general, each have their own constitution?

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #10.10 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:27 AM EDT
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                                    RGoodfellow

                                    Bloomburg has it wrong! What they are protesting is the fact that only greedy, self absorbed creeps like him can obtain public office anymore. He is a billionaire who lives off the hard work, and sweat of others, (his employees) while he hob nobs with the stars, and buys public office. He is part of the problem, they are the solution! Tear down, throw out, and rebuild!

                                    • 9 votes
                                    Reply#11 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:42 PM EDT
                                    bitemore

                                    #11: Tear down, throw out, and rebuild!

                                    Hear hear!!!!!

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #11.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:55 PM EDT
                                    notsojingo

                                    Hear, hear!!!!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #11.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:38 PM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    mighty heidi

                                    and vote obama out in 2012!!!!

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
                                    common sense-457836

                                    You just need to work harder and stop trying to tear down those who are successful because you're jealous.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #12.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:17 PM EDT
                                    lovemyplanet-400560

                                    You just need to work harder and stop trying to tear down those who are successful because you're jealous.

                                    Isn't that what you are doing when you complain about "the wealthy"?

                                    Granted, some of "the wealthy" are shady characters but many others are not!

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #12.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:11 PM EDT
                                    common sense-457836

                                    Nope. I understand that the system has been fundamentally restructured to perpetuate a widening and ever-lasting enormous disparity which drives the economy into the ground and results into a strictly divided society of rulers and serfs. I'm not jealous, I'm angry.

                                    Anyways, my original comment was in response to some nonsense hot air that heidi posted originally then edited out.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:36 PM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    mcdonnal-1

                                    NBC News is comparing these protesters to the Arab Spring in Egypt. They are being supported by SEIU, other unions, MoveOn.org. assorted and sundry anarchists, socialists and retreaded hippies from the 60s. I encourage them to move on the Washington DC with their thousands of supporters, overwhelm the government, arrest the President and put him on trial for high crimes and misdemeanors. That is the outcome of the Arab Spring as well as a takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood and eventual Sharia Law. Then they will be real zombies.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
                                    Jeremiah-2094437

                                    Treason!

                                    /sarcasm

                                      #13.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
                                      notsojingo

                                      You missed the part about OccupyDC Oct 6, 2011:
                                      _http://www.facebook.com/pages/OCCUPYDC-Oct-6-2011/164322683652471_
                                      (http://www.facebook.com/pages/OCCUPYDC-Oct-6-2011/164322683652471)

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #13.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:41 PM EDT
                                      Reply
                                      Solidarityman-4231376

                                      Watch the fact-based, unbiased, Academy Award-winning documentary, "Inside Job".  Both Dems and the GOP are responsible for setting us all up for this economic disaster.  It's status quo in Washington...and it's got to stop now!  We the majority need to scream bloody murder to be heard.  If protesting all around the nation is what we need to do to get our voices heard loud and clear, then that's what we all need to do.  Our future prosperity is at stake.  Don't believe the words we hear from our elected officials.  "Change" is not a great speech.  Action speaks louder than words.  We are craving ACTION.  If our elected officials can't create legislation according to what the MAJORITY of their constituents want, then why the heck do we keep reelecting these people?!  We have ourselves to blame for that.  We are smarter and more informed than our elected officials (and Wall Street) give us credit for.  So why do we vote so lazily?  We can start by demanding that the political parties provide us with better candidates.  They keep giving us the same candidates.  Why do you think we find ourselves in the same situation election year after election year?   It's status quo in our local, regional, and national elections, that's why.  Wake up people!  You want things to be different?  Then we need to put the effort in to make REAL CHANGE happen.  Listen, we have the power.  We have strength in numbers.  We are the majority.  The minority are scared to death of us.  Watch "The Inside Job" if you think you need any more motivation to seek change in the status quo.         

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#14 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT
                                      lovemyplanet-400560

                                      We are smarter and more informed than our elected officials (and Wall Street) give us credit for. So why do we vote so lazily? We can start by demanding that the political parties provide us with better candidates. They keep giving us the same candidates.

                                      My question is, why do you think it is their responsibility to "provide" and "give"? Why do you think that the political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, are concerned with your wishes? Do you think that giving you what you want is really their intent? Why do you think they owe you anything? Is it because the media supports them or because you give them money? If so, why are you doing it since neither of the two main political parties are "providing" you with a candidate you can fully support? If people are smarter and more informed than their elected officials give them credit for, why do mainstream Democrats and/or mainstream Republicans still get elected? Why not, instead, vote for someone who is not one of the mainstream political party candidates? Or vote, instead, for someone who has integrity, who believes in your liberty vs. a dictatorship by government-controlled-corporations, someone they marginalize or abhor. You'll probably get someone more to your liking. But even if your candidate doesn't win, you'll still have voted your conscience.

                                        #14.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:34 PM EDT
                                        Reply
                                        silverhawk63

                                        Yea those evil rich people,they got that way by begin mean and stealing money.Working 60-70 hours a week or going to schools/college/university for 20 odd years has nothing to do with earning money. Welcome to fuzzy minded socialism.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#15 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:38 PM EDT
                                        grrrrl4ever

                                        I think there is more legitimacy to this "movement" if it occurs in many places rather than at one central site. This would show that this is national movement, and not some isolated one time assembly (think of the "Million Man March" or Glen Beck's "Rally To Restore Sanity". For this movement to have teeth it must occurs in multiple cities and regions together.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#16 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:39 PM EDT
                                        notsojingo

                                        grrrrl4ever

                                        Love your name!

                                        See #1.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT

                                        Peace

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #16.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:43 PM EDT
                                        King VidorDeleted
                                        Sally

                                        King Vidor banned, rereg of Fred C. Dobbs and Aurthur Brown.


                                        • 6 votes
                                        #16.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
                                        notsojingo

                                        And ANOTHER one bites the Dust!

                                        Great Job, Sally!

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #16.4 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 2:46 AM EDT
                                        Reply
                                        JohnRussell

                                        Today, a guy named Harrison Schultz ( one of the organizers of the protest) gave a couple TV interviews.

                                        I have a thread on the topic.

                                        Schultz says that a lot of the protesters are anarchists and revolutionaries, and that he personally wants EVERYTHING to change.

                                        This protest is going nowhere.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#17 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 7:55 PM EDT
                                        johnny angel

                                        This protest is going nowhere

                                        They said the same about Vietnam. The resistance came too late to save millions, but at least the DEPT of the NAVY came clean as a trapped rat can (LIKE Iraq) just in time for the pitance of morality we call the cornerstone of banking.

                                        Substantive change is unlikely to happen but I savor the breath of fresh air, that at least our youth are not cowards. THIS society IS WHATS GOING NOWHERE except barbaric. Bash our youth (over banks) if you wish but I wouldn't gloat over your wager.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #17.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:29 PM EDT
                                        JohnRussell

                                        The protest is a leftist operation. One of the organizers blatantly said to day that a lot of the protesters are anarchists and revolutionaries . In another interview he said some of them are communists. What makes you think the American people will get behind this?

                                        Sure you can get a few thousand people here and there to take to the streets, but it won't effect a damn thing without the majority of the American people behind it.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #17.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:38 PM EDT
                                        notsojingo

                                        I guess this would be the other side of the coin from the clowns attempted to be used to detract from the larger picture.

                                        Joseph Stiglitz talks Occupy Wall Street
                                        Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz gave a rousing speech at the Occupy Wall Street protests. He joins The Last Word to discuss the movement and gives some advice to the GOP.

                                        http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&pwst=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GCNV_en&sa=X&ei=zW6KTuRgjZS3B4rGqJ0D&ved=0CBcQvwUoAQ&q=Joseph+Stiglitz+talks+Occupy+Wall+Street+Nobel+prize-winning+economist+Joseph+Stiglitz+gave+a+rousing+speech+at+the+Occupy+Wall+Street+protests.+He+joins+The+Last+Word+to+discuss+the+movement+and+gives+some+advice+to+the+GOP.&spell=1

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #17.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:24 PM EDT
                                        JohnRussell

                                        OWS may become a leftist tea party type activity. It will not be the agent of changing America, because it is and will be identified as a predominantly far left movement, which is inherently polarizing. Congress will have no need to respond to a polarizing movement.

                                        An institution like Wall St. will only be effected by a large broad based protest that attracts the participation of millions of people.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #17.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:58 PM EDT
                                        common sense-457836

                                        Pretty much anyone who isn't only out for themselves and willing to step on anyone and anything to get it (or enamored with said philosophy) is considered 'far left' by the media in this country.

                                        I don't think it's nearly as polarizing as you think.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #17.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:45 PM EDT
                                        Road Rash

                                        Congress will have no need to respond to a polarizing movement.

                                        Yet they responded to the Tea Party.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #17.6 - Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:22 PM EDT
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                                        johnny angel

                                        Pork and beans are traded for TWO blow jobs and an enama costs more than a dollar. Its clearly time for a change but there is so little to spare. Perhaps if we gargle with food stamps a new music genre will birth us to dance again.

                                        Hooray for youth and stamina! This nation has always needed both. Don't stop now!

                                          Reply#18 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:00 PM EDT
                                          grrrrl4ever

                                          To a former post & someone who seems to be unbiased, I say: I don't think anybody wants this to be "ugly". This is America and a place where the"will of the people" should suffice, if we hold true to the principals of the Founding Fathers." Equality and justice for all", this was bored into me from my earliest days. Toss in the "Golden Rule" and we might be on to something.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#19 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:04 PM EDT
                                          King VidorDeleted
                                          grrrrl4ever

                                          If it turns violent, then obviously no one understood what the Golden Rule is or, just doesn't care, and we are all at our root sociopaths. I think we are better than that. We are the "Grand Experiment". Lets not disappoint.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #19.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:15 PM EDT
                                          King VidorDeleted
                                          sammy sezso

                                          These are PEACEFUL protests! There is only violence is by the police abusing some of the innocent protesters!

                                          The protesters have not resisted being arrested!

                                          The protests are going to stay peaceful too, so don't get your hopes up king.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #19.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM EDT
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                                          King VidorDeleted
                                          TangoChuck

                                          So...if you are part of this demonstration, can you give me a summery of exactly what it is you want?

                                          Your messages are so obscured by noise you're making, it is impossible to understand, other than you wish for the country to sink into anarchy...And if that's it, I gotta tell you it not only won't fly, but there will be a civil war between your agents of rebellion and the rest of us. You'll lose big time in short order if that comes about.

                                          So, please clarify what it is you want and what you think that will achieve for our country.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#21 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:49 PM EDT
                                          digcreation

                                          according to the article they were chanting about

                                          fixing the debt by ending the wars and taxing the rich..

                                          sounds like a clear message to me.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #21.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:56 PM EDT
                                          sammy sezso

                                          http://occupywallst.org/

                                          Go read all about it!

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #21.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
                                          TangoChuck

                                          Ending the wars...then what. Wait for the next attack on us? What if the subway cars that are blown up are the ones they ride...

                                          Taxing the rich...who's rich and exactly how much should they pay? To wit:

                                          Here are the facts according to the IRS:

                                          • Those making more than $1 million pay 24% of income in taxes
                                          • Those making $200,000 to $300,000 pay 17.5%
                                          • Those making $100,000 to $125,000 pay 9.9%
                                          • Those making $50,000 to $60,000 pay 6.3%
                                          • Those making $20,000 to $30,000 pay 2.5%

                                          And what of millionaires who pay no taxes?

                                          There are 1,470 of them. They represent six-tenths of one percent of all those with million dollar incomes in the U.S. If we assume that they make an average income of $2 million a year each, taxing them at the same rate as other millionaires (24.4%) would yield $367 million, which would increase Treasury income tax revenues by 30 one-hundredths of one percent or one-third of one-tenth of one percent!

                                          Overall, the IRS reports that the revenues from the income tax are sharply skewed toward taxes on the rich:

                                          • The top 1% pays 39%
                                          • The top 5% pays 60%
                                          • The top 10% pays 72%
                                          • The bottom half pays 3%

                                          So, other than false assumptions that drive them, what do they really want? I don't believe many of them have any idea..they just want to rant and party.

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #21.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:09 PM EDT
                                          Lynne from IL

                                          sammy sezso....people apparently are to lazy to read! Unless a concept is boiled down to a sound byte many Americans are just too self-absorbed to see what is going on in this country. This campaign hasn't defined an end goal, just trying to bring attention to the fact our government is bought and sold everyday by money, lots of money.

                                          Having attended my first "town hall" meeting this weekend, feeling like I was patted on the head, my next stop is downtown Chicago to check this out.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #21.4 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:16 PM EDT
                                          Pat N

                                          This campaign hasn't defined an end goal, just trying to bring attention to the fact our government is bought and sold everyday by money, lots of money.

                                          So people are sitting around for weeks at a time, with no showers in sight, to bring attention to something we've known for decades? And they don't have a single clue or suggestion how to rectify it? Wow.

                                          Do these people realize that Wall Street is liberal? That they gave more money to Obama and Clinton than they did to republican candidates?

                                          It looks like an incoherant assembly of unwashed masses with no direction, to me. If they're protesting government...why aren't they in DC?

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #21.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:26 PM EDT
                                          Lynne from IL

                                          OK Pat, guess you missed my first statement...

                                          people apparently are to lazy to read!

                                          Your statement pretty much sums up the problem...

                                          to bring attention to something we've known for decades?

                                          Instead of disparaging individuals focusing on a major issue, you might want step off your soapbox and see what you can do to help. If they appear unwashed to you, bring some water and papertowels!

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #21.6 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
                                          Pat N

                                          Instead of disparaging individuals focusing on a major issue, you might want step off your soapbox and see what you can do to help.

                                          Soapbox? Nah. I just find them entertaining.

                                          If they appear unwashed to you, bring some water and papertowels!

                                          Ahhh, there it is. The entire movement is centered around "Do it for me. Because I can't do it for myself"

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #21.7 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:16 PM EDT
                                          notsojingo

                                          This is a repost from above. Sorry.

                                          I guess this would be the other side of the coin from the clowns attempted to be used to detract from the larger picture.

                                          Joseph Stiglitz talks Occupy Wall Street
                                          Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz gave a rousing speech at the Occupy Wall Street protests. He joins The Last Word to discuss the movement and gives some advice to the GOP.

                                          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&pwst=1&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GCNV_en&sa=X&ei=zW6KTuRgjZS3B4rGqJ0D&ved=0CBcQvwUoAQ&q=Joseph+Stiglitz+talks+Occupy+Wall+Street+Nobel+prize-winning+economist+Joseph+Stiglitz+gave+a+rousing+speech+at+the+Occupy+Wall+Street+protests.+He+joins+The+Last+Word+to+discuss+the+movement+and+gives+some+advice+to+the+GOP.&spell=1

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #21.8 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:30 PM EDT
                                          BJK-798627

                                          Go read all about it!

                                          Well, Sam, I clicked on the link, and I have to say it was rather incoherent. There are pictures of balloons floating in the air followed by a photo taken from a prison cell. Then they go on to complain about the cops closing the Brooklyn Bridge and arresting several people.

                                          In the margin there are a few quotes about how the protesters want to emulate the 'Arab Spring' and accomplish its goals in a non-violent manner.

                                          That takes the cake for delusional. If these people think the revolutions in Egypt, Syria, and Libya were "non-violent", I shudder to think what they would consider violent.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #21.9 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:45 PM EDT
                                          notsojingo

                                          A better link to the video.

                                          http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/joseph-stiglitz-talks-occupy-wall-street/6hy2hj6

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #21.10 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:07 AM EDT
                                          TangoChuck

                                          Is this a rip or not..ask the simple question: So, please clarify what it is you want and what you think that will achieve for our country,and notice not one of these dickheads can even begin to answer...yeah, they'll "change" the system alright...LMFAO.

                                          Am I worried in the least bit about them implementing the anarchy they so wantonly desire...not a friggin' bit. They're so caught up in themselves they can't even stand each other, let alone a cause...what a bunch of losers.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #21.11 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:17 AM EDT
                                          JayTee-3231157

                                          TangoChuck #21.3

                                          Statistics that Liberals don't want to swallow. Obama wants 'em dumb and unimformed, you're not co-operating.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #21.12 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
                                          Jack TX

                                          This campaign hasn't defined an end goal, just trying to bring attention to the fact our government is bought and sold everyday by money, lots of money.

                                          Why on earth would you....or anyone else.... think that everyone doesn't already know this??

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #21.13 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 5:06 PM EDT
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                                          Lynne from IL

                                          From what I've seen (live feeds) and read, the "occupy" groups are calling out the wealthy who have infiltrated our political system. Granted there has always been a presence but with the SCOTUS giving corporations "people" status it is just too much.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#22 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:54 PM EDT
                                          Truth be told-1349420

                                          Heard a bunch of them being interviewed and they sounded like idiots! They have not a clue what they are talking about or for that matter, fighting for!

                                          Whether or not they are idiots and have no clue what they are fighting for, they have the right to protest and no one should feel menaced and angry. If anyone feels hurt or is angry by their protest, it means they are telling the truth. Let the people speak their mind, that what democracy is about. If I should call them idiots, I am the idiot.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#23 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:54 PM EDT
                                          lvh-784809

                                          Re-instate the draft so they have something to do..or at least protest about.

                                          http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=occupiy+dc&fr=vz-portal&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

                                          So impressive :(

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #23.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:05 PM EDT
                                          common sense-457836

                                          or at least protest about.

                                          Are you insinuating that everything is just peachy keen right now?

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #23.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:20 PM EDT
                                          lvh-784809

                                          Not at all..I just think misplaced.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #23.3 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 7:54 PM EDT
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                                          chaos99972

                                          Okay.

                                          Hands up, all those who are stupid enough to believe that Mr. Obama and the democraps are soley responsible for the permanent removal of billions of dollars and millions of jobs from the american economy over the last four years.
                                          Hands up. We said up
                                          Raise them higher. I said higher.
                                          We are The Banking Industry, the Repulsivcan Party, Multi-national Corporations and Foreign Powers and this, you american motherfockers, is a robbery.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          Reply#24 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:06 PM EDT
                                          TangoChuck

                                          You pathetic dumbass...who the hell do you think you are? Do you deserve special treatment in this world or what? How much have you earned for yourself, given to others or contributed to the society that you suck off?

                                          You don't know the first goddamn thing about paying your dues in our system...you fu*king morons are the biggest dredges in our country. Spoiled rotten by the very system you want to tear down, and don't begin to realize it...life will be tough for you and your colleagues junior.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #24.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 12:35 AM EDT
                                          blazera

                                          "How much have you earned for yourself"

                                          more than I've been compensated. What have stock traders earned? What have they made, what labor have they done? All they do is buy and sell invisible things that mean nothing to anyone except other people who buy and sell those invisible things. What have banks earned? They let us give money to them, for nothin (sometimes a few dollars a year in interest). What hard work.

                                          I make minimum wage, working 12 hours a night from 6pm to 6am. I inspect and carry to pallets over 20,000 office binders. Not sure how much weight that is a night, it's several tons of cardboard every night at least. What part of that sounds minimum?

                                          " Spoiled rotten by the very system you want to tear down"

                                          what a bizarre world, where the poor are spoiled, and the rich deserve pity.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #24.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 1:28 AM EDT
                                          ming-315743

                                          blazera, you probably have worked more hours than you have been compensated, no one knows. However, lumping all individuals into one bad category does not help your case. The purpose of bettering yourself thru education is so that one would not have to do tons of manual labor. Work is also done with a mind not only by lifting and hauling things. I know plenty of financial advisors, stock traders etc that are hard working folk and are constantly educating themselves to provide better services. Some of us invest, save and work in order to have what we have. There are some no doubt that abuse the system and care not for others. Work is hard or we would not call it work. You do not have to give your money to a bank. You can stuff those checks or your cash right on under the mattress and see where that gets you. I know there is a lot of anger and a lot of problems but I don't see much changing because you guys want it to.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #24.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:27 PM EDT
                                          TangoChuck

                                          blaz couldn't qualify to get the "cushy" job he envisions...hence, he'll blame everyone but himself. The country he lives in offers EVERYONE opportunity for earning for themselves...ya just gotta be smart enough to understand, apply yourself and take advantage of those opportunities when they show up...oh, and most important stay off drugs and quit blaming everyone else for his failures.

                                          Will this message be heard and understood...hell no, but can't do much about that. So, have your little snit blaz and tomorrow, a week from now, a year from now, ten years from now you'll still be a loser. I can't fix that!

                                            #24.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:44 PM EDT
                                            blazera

                                            "blazera, you probably have worked more hours than you have been compensated, no one knows."

                                            Forget hours, I work harder.

                                            "The purpose of bettering yourself thru education is so that one would not have to do tons of manual labor."

                                            Plenty of people have degrees. Doctorates make a fraction of what stock traders with bachelor's degrees make with investments...in invisible nothings.

                                            "Work is also done with a mind not only by lifting and hauling things."

                                            Doctor's are deserving of their pay. Biologists, physicists, professors, mathematicians. The people I think of when it comes to brains. Not the folks on Wall Street.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #24.5 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 9:36 AM EDT
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                                            blazera

                                            And then they turned the protest into a hipster zombie walk.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            Reply#25 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:16 PM EDT
                                            cmach

                                            OK. the zombie makeup just makes the whole thing look like a bunch of morons.

                                            • 9 votes
                                            Reply#26 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:17 PM EDT
                                            Auto 101

                                            Don't tell them that you might hurt their feelings.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #26.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:22 PM EDT
                                            American Idle

                                            oh, yeah, but guys like this are patriots?

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #26.2 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
                                            Auto 101

                                            His is more normal He was at a "Tea Party". So wearing a Tea bag on a hat makes more since than dressing like a zombie to say CEO's are greedy. Since when does a Zombie represent GREED?

                                            • 6 votes
                                            #26.3 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:58 PM EDT
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