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Why is investment income taxed less than wages?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM EST
politics, us, mitt-romney, investments, taxing
Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press
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<p>This image released by the Romney presidential campaign shows the front page of the estimated 2011 IRS 1040 tax form for Republican presidential candidate former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and his wife Ann. Romney's tax returns tell the tale: Yes, he's rich — really rich. His returns, spanning more than 500 pages and released under political pressure Tuesday Jan. 24, 2012, represent an extraordinary financial accounting of one of the wealthiest U.S. presidential candidates in generations, with his annual income topping $20 million. (AP Photo/Romney Campaign)</p>

This image released by the Romney presidential campaign shows the front page of the estimated 2011 IRS 1040 tax form for Republican presidential candidate former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and his wife Ann. Romney's tax returns tell the tale: Yes, he's rich — really rich. His returns, spanning more than 500 pages and released under political pressure Tuesday Jan. 24, 2012, represent an extraordinary financial accounting of one of the wealthiest U.S. presidential candidates in generations, with his annual income topping $20 million. (AP Photo/Romney Campaign)

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WASHINGTON — Why do Mitt Romney and other wealthy investors pay lower taxes on the income they make from investments than they would if they earned their millions from wages? Because Congress, through the tax code, has long treated investment more favorably than labor, seeing it as an engine for economic growth that benefits everyone.

President Barack Obama and the Occupy Wall Street movement are challenging that value system, raising volatile election-year issues of equity, fairness — and Romney's tax returns.

Romney, who released his 2010 and 2011 tax returns this week, has been forced to defend the fact that he paid a tax rate of about 15 percent on an annual income of $21 million. His tax rate is comparable to the one paid by most middle-income families. His income, however, is 420 times higher than the typical U.S. household.

The Republican presidential candidate's taxes were so low because the vast majority of his income came from investments. The U.S. has long had a progressive income tax, in which people who make more money pay taxes at a higher rate than those who make less. But for almost as long, the U.S. has taxed capital gains — the profit from selling an investment — at a lower rate than wages.

"There are two ways to look at: There is a moral argument and an economic growth argument, and they both point to lower taxes on capital gains," said William McBride, an economist at the conservative Tax Foundation.

McBride says it is unfair to tax income more than once, and capital gains are taxed multiple times. If you got the original investment from wages, that money was taxed. If the stock you own gains value because the company you invested in makes a profit, those profits are taxed through the corporate tax. And if that company issues dividends, those are taxed as well.

Lots of people are double taxed, says Chuck Marr, director of federal tax policy for the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "Check out your last pay stub: There's income tax and payroll tax, so you're double taxed, too," Marr said.

And, he noted, when you buy something, you probably pay a sales tax.

Under current law, the top tax rate is 15 percent on qualified dividend and long-term capital gains — the profits from selling assets that have been held for at least a year. The top income tax rate on wages is 35 percent, though that applies only to taxable income above $388,350.

Congress started taxing capital gains at a lower rate than wages following World War I. The concern then was that high taxes on capital gains actually reduced revenue because people would simply hold onto their investments and restrict the flow of capital, according to the Encyclopedia of Taxation and Tax Policy.

At the time, however, the top tax rate on wages was a whopping 73 percent. In 1922, Congress lowered the top capital gains rate to 12.5 percent, a rate that lasted until 1934.

For much of the next 70 years, the top tax rate on long-term capital gains hovered between 20 percent and 30 percent, going as high as 39.9 percent in the 1970s but never falling below 20 percent until 2003, when Congress passed a gradual reduction to the current rate.

The 2003 law also started taxing qualified dividends at the same rate as capital gains.

Liberals and some moderates argue that lower taxes on investments are a giveaway to the rich because they are the ones who get the most benefit. Last year, two-thirds of all capital gains went to people making more than $1 million, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, the official scorekeeper for Congress.

Only 5 percent of capital gains went to people making less than $100,000, and only 13 percent went to people making less than $200,000.

"I'm a liberal person and I believe strongly that the wealthy should pay more than the working poor," Marr said, regardless of whether the income is from investments or labor.

Obama has taken up this argument, though his budget proposals have called for only small tax increases on capital gains and dividends, to a top rate of 20 percent.

Instead, Obama has developed the "Buffet Rule," named after billionaire investor Warren Buffet, which says rich people shouldn't pay taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries. To impose this rule, Obama said at his State of The Union address Tuesday that people making more than $1 million should pay at least 30 percent of their income in taxes.

"Now, you can call this class warfare all you want," Obama said. "But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense."

The proposal has little chance of passing a divided Congress this year, and the Obama administration has released few details on how the tax would work.

Conservatives argue that increasing investment taxes would make it harder to for businesses to raise capital, restricting job growth and hurting financial markets, reducing income for people who rely on pension funds and 401(k) accounts as well as billionaires and millionaires.

"In my view the rationale for taxing capital gains and dividends at a lower rate has nothing to do with what an individual pays versus another individual," said Jim McCrery, who was a senior Republican member of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee when the 2003 tax cuts were enacted. "It has everything to do with the creation of jobs in this country."

McCrery now works for the Alliance for Savings and Investment, a coalition of companies and business groups that want to keep the current tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

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Borncorn

because it's already taxed at the higher income rate when it is first earned.

No, it isn't. More right wingnut nonsense. The money you buy an investment with is called it's basis. The capital gain is only the amount you sell the investment for above its basis. The original money used to purchase the asset isn't taxed twice.

Oh by the way buffet owes about 1 billion in back taxes to the feds for all his businesses.

So now Buffett owns 100% of Berkshire Hathaway? Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?

  • 11 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:50 PM EST
Alex. CA

Because the repubs were able to get enough votes to pass that law.

    #2.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:52 PM EST
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    GIL-2076580

    Because the super wealthy control the lawmakers through legal bribery (campaign contributions) and special favors to those same politicians that push the laws that those super wealthy created for their own benefit--that's why.

    The worker, generally, is way too busy and too poor to create laws and to pay politicians to push for their needs. How many of you workers have had a federal lawmaker create a law for your needs or just to even act as your representative?

    The workers only have the option to vote for a politician of their choice. But, the field of choices is controlled by the wealthy who are easily able to fund those candidates that will do their bidding. Arguably, the candidate with the largest war chest will win elections and therefore, only the wealthy can afford get their "man" elected. This is a perfect example of American democracy at its best (sarc).

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM EST
    americandreamshattered

    Jon Stewart said it so well,"The poor have some really bad lobbyists".

    • 5 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:48 PM EST
    JC-1439099

    I understand why capital gains are taxed at a lower rate. What I want to know is why I can't get a loan with the same rate and terms as a college student. Why do they get preferential treatment?

    It's obvious that the government is showing favoritism towards the young.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:18 PM EST
    Pat P11111

    JC

    It's obvious that the government is showing favoritism towards the young

    So go to school. It doesn't favor age but education. It is seen as a benefit to society as a whole to have a more educated populace, hence we have public schools for all.

    There is some truth that it is good to have people with money to invest. There is also the other truth, that is good to have people with money to buy products that the investment produces.

    Our system is out of balance, we give way to much of a break to the rich. They take home a much bigger share and leave the consumer with no money to produce demand.

    Double taxation is a false argument. What matters is the total tax on each segment. Should people who spend every penny just to buy the bare necessities be taxed as the people who employ them and reap huge incomes from the workers labor?

    • 4 votes
    #5.1 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:44 PM EST
    Joanna Caroll

    What I want to know is why I can't get a loan with the same rate and terms as a college student. Why do they get preferential treatment?

    It's obvious that the government is showing favoritism towards the young.

    JC, Parent Plus loans are fixed at 8.5%, Stafford might be lower if you can get one - that is not 'preferential treatment.'

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:23 PM EST
    Idj

    " that is not preferential treatment"

    No it's not. But to believe otherwise is proganda bs. Faux News is like that... "Foxbots" end up hating themselves first and utmost, and then the hate trickles down to scapegoats!

    • 2 votes
    #5.3 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:00 PM EST
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    Dowser

    Not having any investment income, I don't know. ;-)

    However, I seriously doubt that my $.41 that I made in interest last year would seriously make much difference in our tax rate.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:26 PM EST
    klm-547227

    It seems actual work is not as valuable.

    If you have to "work" for your money thats kinda icky and gross, not that you aren't needed by those who can invest, but the investors are the ones who are of real value and a real asset to this country and should be rewarded. /s

    Isn't that the real message?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:59 PM EST
    Lebowsky

    For much of the next 70 years, the top tax rate on long-term capital gains hovered between 20 percent and 30 percent, going as high as 39.9 percent in the 1970s but never falling below 20 percent until 2003, when Congress passed a gradual reduction to the current rate.

    During this time there were 2 catagories of capital gains, Long and Short term (6 months or less). The short term was taxed at a higher rate in an effort to discourage churning, one of the major causes of the crash of 29. Hmmmmm.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:14 PM EST
    RatPoison

    To encourage investment into businesses. Encouraging investment provides capital for businesses to growth faster than they would without. As our economy is largely based on debt... not only in the government's case... but also with consumers... and also with businesses... this practice falls right in line with the nature of our economy. And as irony would have it... this is a similar trend in other developing and industrialized nations.

    This whole issue starts with using tax code to encourage a behavior. But before people get up in arms about the actual rate... they should do some research on tax rates around the globe for comparison. Simply looking at our tax rates... and only our tax rates... puts your perspective into a vaccuum that is doomed to fail because there is a world economy and global tax competition between nations to encourage... not only businesses... but also investors.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax

    Compare for yourselves. Between countries that do not have this tax, or incorporate it as a part of their income... there are others where it ranges from 10-35%. Most important though is China's rate...

    As we all should know by now... China has been garnishing a lot of investment from foreign sources. A part of the reason is the low 10% tax rate... and that China's economy has been growing at a great rate... (largely due to a huge consumption of their goods by western nations.. especially the United States). A lot of United States investors and businesses who invest... do so in China because of the strength of their economy.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:11 AM EST
    olivia68

    He took lessons from Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner and all of the corrupt secret inside traders at the White House?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:28 AM EST
    Alex. CA

    Who is going after inside traders??

      #10.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:27 AM EST
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      Better Careful

      The reason is that our government is corrupt. Under George W. Bush our politicians were more than happy to do what is best for them, regardless of the consequences for anybody else. These right-wingers do not come to serve the public interest; they come to help themselves. Public policy has nothing to do with this; don't go looking for connections which do not exist.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#11 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:52 AM EST
      Spo de o de

      Hmmn, if corruption started with George W. Bush, according to your logic, then what started with Clinton and is continuing with Obama? I know, failed Demoncratic policies that are bankrupting this country!

      • 1 vote
      #11.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:41 PM EST
      Better Careful

      Taxes were re-structured under Bush and a Republican Congress. Please check your history before you post. Try to keep your posts, and thoughts, fact-based.

      • 1 vote
      #11.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:32 PM EST
      Alex. CA

      President Clinton raised taxes on the rich and created 23 million new jobs and left a huge budget surplus.

      • 1 vote
      #11.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:25 AM EST
      Alex. CA

      bush caused a 17 TRILLION DOLLAR economic loss in the US in 2008.

      • 1 vote
      #11.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:28 AM EST
      Spo de o de

      How convenient that you ignore the fact Obama had a chance to cancel the Bush Tax cuts! What is his excuse for doing so?

      • 1 vote
      #11.5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:37 AM EST
      Alex. CA

      Are you in favor of canceling the tax cuts for the rich?

      • 2 votes
      #11.6 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:59 PM EST
      Spo de o de

      Are you in favor of encouraging Class Warfare?

      • 1 vote
      #11.7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:48 PM EST
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      Spo de o de

      Alex, same old excuses from the Left, bring up the past and either blame the Republicans or reward the demoncrats. And what is your excuse for Obama not creating a surplus , and why does the US deficit keep growing? Oh let me guess, the Emperor needs more time to fix the problem. Too bad the Left was duped into electing a Community Activist with no real experience at running anything except his mouth.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:44 AM EST
      Alex. CA

      The deficit is not the top priority, economic growth and lowering unemployment are the top priorities.

      The repubs want to cut spending to create a great depression to get rid of President Obama.

      • 2 votes
      #12.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:04 PM EST
      Spo de o de

      Right Alex, I can hear your mantra, "We Have To Spend Our Way Out Of This Economic Free Fall." Has that worked for Greece, and how well has that worked for your own finances?

      • 1 vote
      #12.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:46 PM EST
      Alex. CA

      The Greeks did not destroy the world economy, bush destroyed it.

      The economy is no longer in a free fall, President Obama put a stop to that. The economy was growing faster in 2010 when the democrats were in charge.

      • 2 votes
      #12.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:12 PM EST
      Spo de o de

      News tip Alex, Bush is not the current POTUS!!!!! Right, Obama saved us all, that might explain why the housing market has not recovered, not enough jobs have been created to improve the economy, and the deficit continues to grow. But if you want to believe Obama is your savior go right ahead and pray at the alter of fantasy.

      • 1 vote
      #12.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST
      northtosouth

      News tip Alex, Bush is not the current POTUS!!!!

      And the current budget deficit is not the current President's budget deficit. It's the remnant of the $1.5 trillion the previous administration dumped on him. But then again, why look at the facts.

      Right, Obama saved us all, that might explain why the housing market has not recovered, not enough jobs have been created to improve the economy, and the deficit continues to grow.

      The housing market is recovering. In fact, it's back to where it SHOULD be not to the over inflated values of 2007. There has been steadily increasing private sector job growth, the reduction of government jobs has kept the unemployment numbers higher than they would have been had government not shed so many jobs unemployment would be closer to 6%. As far as the "growing deficit" you're wrong. The deficit is going down, the national debt is increasing. Why is the debt increasing? Well, it's quite simple. Start two wars, create a new medicare part and, oh yeah, lower taxes. That'll jack up that debt pretty quick. Don't forget compounding interest! That one doesn't help either.

      Am I the only one distressed by the refusal of the right to accept facts?

      But if you want to believe Obama is your savior go right ahead and pray at the alter of fantasy.

      I don't think anyone on the left called Obama our "savior". I'm pretty sure that was Hannity that called him the messiah. Or was it Rush? I lose track of the wingnuts.

      • 2 votes
      #12.5 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:58 PM EST
      JC-1439099

      the current budget deficit is not the current President's budget deficit.

      Any chance that could be due to the fact that the Democrats have not passed a budget in over 1000 days? Failure to get things accomplished seems to be the standard for this administration.

        #12.6 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:26 PM EST
        northtosouth

        Any chance that could be due to the fact that the Democrats have not passed a budget in over 1000 days? Failure to get things accomplished seems to be the standard for this administration.

        Oh, that $1.5 trillion budget deficit that Obama inherited? It's now under $1 trillion. The deficit has gone down. Don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy JC.

        • 2 votes
        #12.7 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:43 PM EST
        JC-1439099

        Are you saying that the fact the Democrats haven't passed a budget in over 1000 days is a fantasy?

          #12.8 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:52 PM EST
          northtosouth

          Are you saying that the fact the Democrats haven't passed a budget in over 1000 days is a fantasy?

          Democrats can't pass a budget. Congress has to. I'm pretty sure that was covered in social studies in middle school.

          • 2 votes
          #12.9 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:13 PM EST
          JC-1439099

          Trying to be cute, deflecting, and/or pretending you don't know what I'm talking about will not suffice. When the Democrats had control of both chambers, they did nothing. Now that they have only the Senate, they are still failing to do their job. The Republicans in the House, on the other hand, did pass a budget and sent it on to the Senate. Who knows, perhaps the Republicans in the Senate would pass a budget too, but since it is controlled by the Democrats that will not bring it to the floor, it isn't really an option.

            #12.10 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:55 PM EST
            northtosouth

            Trying to be cute, deflecting, and/or pretending you don't know what I'm talking about will not suffice

            Sorry, but no. I'm far from deflecting and/or pretending I don't know what you're talking about. It's

            When the Democrats had control of both chambers, they did nothing.

            Far from true. Good try, though. Passed a budget for FY 2010. FY 2011 was not implemented in a full budget due to the election. Considering deficits are down due to running the government by continuing resolution, maybe that's a better way to go.

            Now that they have only the Senate, they are still failing to do their job.

            And again, far from true but good try.

            The Republicans in the House, on the other hand, did pass a budget and sent it on to the Senate.

            You're right. And it was a disaster. It added to the debt and deficit at record levels.

            Who knows, perhaps the Republicans in the Senate would pass a budget too, but since it is controlled by the Democrats that will not bring it to the floor, it isn't really an option.

            I bet they would. Spending ever more than we take in. Cut taxes and spend, spend, spend. Oh, and borrow, borrow, borrow. That's the republican way, after all. From Reagan, to Bush to Bush.

            • 1 vote
            #12.11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:23 AM EST
            Alex. CA

            The bottom line is that this is the real world. President Obama is winning the election.

            The economy was growing faster in 2010 when the democrats were in charge.

            The repubs are having a hard time getting people to oppose President Obama.....

            Wingnuts Hoot at Obama Speech, But 91% of Americans Approve.... ..http://proglib.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/25/10236646-wingnuts-hoot-at-obama-speech-but-91-of-americans-approve.....

            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history. .....http://smd12364.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/30/10269420-obama-opens-up-huge-lead-in-floridaRead more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/12/20/bloomberg_articlesLWISQZ6S972A.DTL#ixzz1h7jGAN5y.....http://www.gallup.com/poll/151628/Congress-Ends-2011-Record-Low-Approval.aspx

            • 1 vote
            #12.12 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:26 AM EST
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            Libertarian y2k

            Call it income and tax it as such. But also allow them to claim losses as well instead of a maximum of $3000.00 per year deduction. Drop a million on the stock market and tell me how long you have to live to claim the loss at $3,000 per year. And reduce their tax bracket to a more reasonable level. There, I fixed it. :)

            • 1 vote
            Reply#13 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:48 PM EST
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