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Experts say Gingrich moon base dreams not lunacy

Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:30 PM EST
politics, science, us, space, newt-gingrich, newt
Seth Borenstein, AP Science Writer
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Republican presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich campaigns at Fred's Southern Kitchen, Tuesday, Jan. 31, 2012, in Plant City, Fla. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

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WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich wants to create a lunar colony that he says could become a U.S. state. There's his grand research plan to figure out what makes the human brain tick. And he's warned about electromagnetic pulse attacks leaving America without electricity.

To some people, these ideas sound like science fiction. But mostly they are not.

Several science policy experts say the former House speaker's ideas are based in mainstream science. But somehow, Gingrich manages to make them sound way out there, taking them first a small step and then a giant leap further than where other politicians have gone.

Gingrich's promise that "by the end of my second term we will have the first permanent base on the moon" got amped up in a recent debate in Florida, which lost thousands of jobs with the end of the space shuttle program. By then, the lunar base had become a colony and even a potential state, and his moon ideas were ridiculed by rival Mitt Romney.

Returning to the moon and building an outpost there is not new. Until three years ago, it was U.S. policy and billions of dollars were spent on that idea.

Staying on the moon dates at least to 1969, when a government committee recommended that NASA first build a winged, reusable space shuttle followed by a space station and then a moon outpost. In 1989, President George H.W. Bush proposed going to the moon and staying there.

Sixteen years later, in 2005, his son, President George W. Bush, proposed a similar lunar outpost, phased out the space shuttle program and spent more than $9 billion designing a return to the moon program.

George Washington University space policy director Scott Pace, who was NASA's associate administrator in the second Bush administration and is a Romney supporter, said the 2020 lunar base date Gingrich mentioned was feasible when it was proposed in 2005.

But it is no longer, felled by funding cuts and President Barack Obama's decision to cancel the program. Pace said it would be hard to figure out when NASA could get back to the moon, but that such a return is doable.

What kept killing return-to-the moon plans were the costs, starting in 1969. The proposal died 20 years later when the price tag was released: more than $700 billion in current dollars. The second President Bush's plans started running into problems due to insufficient funding. After a special commission said those plans were not sustainable, Obama cancelled the return-to-the-moon program. Instead, he ordered NASA to aim astronauts toward an asteroid and eventually Mars, something many space experts say is even more ambitious.

"Some of you may like it and you may dislike it, but I gave the boldest explanation of going into space since John F. Kennedy in 1961," Gingrich said this week in Florida. "I believe in an America of big ideas and big solutions. I believe if we unleash the American people we will rebuild the American dream."

In Florida, nearly all the Republican presidential candidates promoted private companies sending astronauts into space. Several companies are building private spaceships. Commercial space companies taking over the job of getting Americans into low Earth orbit is a cornerstone of the Obama space plan. But, again, money has been an issue.

For example, NASA received $406 million in its current budget for private space programs. Obama had asked Congress for $805 million.

Neal Lane, former head of the National Science Foundation and White House science adviser during the Clinton administration, said Gingrich's proposals aren't crazy, although he may disagree with some of them. Gingrich's ideas and actions are "very pro-science," said Lane, who credited Gingrich with protecting federal science research from budget cuts in the 1990s.

"He's on the edge of mainstream thinking about big science. Except for the idea of establishing a colony on the moon, it's not over the edge," added Syracuse University science policy professor Henry Lambright.

In Iowa, Gingrich pushed a "brain science" initiative that advocates spending more private and federal money to map the human brain to help fight and cure Alzheimer's disease. He said the idea was based on the experience of watching his late mother's transformation from a happy person with friends to living in a long-term care facility suffering from bipolar disease, depression and physical ailments.

Gingrich said his "whole emphasis on brain science" is based on his mother's depression and mental illnesses. Discussing the issue in Iowa, he wiped away a tear, saying: "It's not a theory. It's in fact, my mother."

The idea of mapping the brain to figure out how it works is a traditional scientific approach to a difficult problem. Scientists have tried to conquer disease by mapping the human genome and figuring out the basic biology of cancer, said Arizona State University science policy professor Dan Sarewitz. The trouble is that, in the past, it hasn't paid off as promised, he said.

Gingrich also has raised eyebrows with his dire warnings about the threat of electromagnetic pulses. The fear being that a nuclear bomb detonated hundreds of miles above America could knock out the country's electricity for a long time. In 2009, Gingrich said it "may be the greatest threat we face ... We would in fact lose our civilization in a matter of seconds."

Paul Fischbeck, a professor of engineering and risk at Carnegie Mellon University, said the threat has existed for about a half a century and is real. But "it's getting more likely and more dangerous" as America becomes more electronic-dependent and other countries advance in technology, he said.

Still, it's space where Gingrich dreams biggest and raises the most eyebrows.

Much of the criticism of his space plans, especially in the media, have been unfair, said Alan Stern, NASA's space sciences chief during George W. Bush's administration. He said Gingrich is just thinking big, like a pioneer.

"That's how `Star Trek' begins," said Stern, vice president of the Southwest Research Institute and director of the Florida Space Institute. "But when a government guy or politician talks that way, they just get clobbered about being unrealistic and that's unfortunate."

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Associated Press writer Shannon McCaffrey in Florida contributed to this report.

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tt16

The Science part of it is not fantasy. The Financial part at this time, IS.

  • 24 votes
#1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM EST
Linda-ladywolf

He didn't come up with this stuff on his own, you can read it in old sci-fi stories and online. He is trading on someone else's ideas, not his own. I hate when someone does that.

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:24 PM EST
lisaed

He is trading on someone else's ideas, not his own. I hate when someone does that.

Linda: Yes indeedy. You take away Ronald Reagan and you got nothin.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:33 PM EST
ryoushi12

Yeah, in this case Robert Heinlein, who wrote at least a dozen sci fi books on gingrich's version of colonizing the moon.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:33 PM EST
lisaed

The Financial part at this time, IS.

tt16--Gingrich is just blatently pandering to the Space Corridor in FLA with money he knows at this particular point in our fiscal crisis we simply do not have. And he tries to accuse Romney of buying the election? What Romney outspends him on Gingrich makes up for in empty state by state ear mark style promises he knows he cannot possibly keep. The conservative base is against ear marks. Gingrich during his tenure as speaker put them on STEROIDS.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:34 PM EST
RI Mom

The 51st State?

Hmmmm

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:56 PM EST
HappyToSeeYa

we have a deficit that newt, as a teapublicon, keeps b!tching about

it will take MASSIVE amounts of money to establish and support a moon base that subsequently becomes the 51st state

maybe newt plans to sell the moon/51st state to corporate interests but even corporate interests don't have buy in until/unless they can profit from it

I remember the corporate interests going for unobtainium on Avatar [prolly where newt got this big idea]

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:01 PM EST
Thinknaboutit

By the end of a first Gingrich term, most Americans would want to be anywhere but in America.

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:24 PM EST
RI Mom

it will take MASSIVE amounts of money to establish and support a moon base that subsequently becomes the 51st state

There IS plenty of $$$ ....just look at those PAC political contributions.

Amazing what rich folks like to "invest" their money in.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:39 PM EST
Disturbedlibrarian

Let's buy Newt a one way ticket on the first rocket there. Actually, I think he could get there on his own hot air. I guess he is implying that by then we will be able to afford it but as long as that takes to make a reality it would have to start now and how will we pay for it? I totally agree with the previous post that said he is just pandering to the space corridor in Florida. Doesn't look like it's doing him any good though. That 51st state crap is just juvenile bluster. What makes him think that any one country can lay claim to the moon?

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:30 PM EST
james ca.

Um...

"He's on the edge of mainstream thinking about big science. Except for the idea of establishing a colony on the moon, it's not over the edge," added Syracuse University science policy professor Henry Lambright.

As in everything BUT the idea of a moon colony is not over the edge or over the top - that doesn't sound like "Experts say Gingrich moon base dreams not lunacy" to me...

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:39 PM EST
Greenwood10

Gingrich's lunar plans are more real than Obama Motor's Volt replacing your current automobile.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:59 PM EST
echo82

ridiculous.

    #1.12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:02 PM EST
    CMlawyer

    To sum it up, there are several problems:

    1. It may be realistic, scientifically speaking, but not financially.

    2. If that's Newt's priority, we should all be scared. Very scared. Jobs, Newt. The economy, Newt. Foreign policy, Newt.

    3. Yes, it's a bid to purchase votes from Floridians.

    4. When did Newt start believing in science? How can we trust a guy to understand moon colonies when he doesn't understand evolution or global warming or stem cell research? For Newt it's all based on the fiction he reads, not on real science.

    • 3 votes
    #1.13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:03 PM EST
    Slinger-958418

    Captain, it is time to BEAM Newtie up.

    It was fun while it lasted but I for one am really getting sick of the Newt.

    • 2 votes
    #1.14 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:08 PM EST
    Smith Cassidy

    Interesting if Republican's listen to science on this issue but not climate change.

    • 3 votes
    #1.15 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:24 PM EST
    Slinger-958418

    That is an interesting comparison, Smith Cassidy, that never even occured to me.

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM EST
    xrayspex

    Every time I am ready to dismiss Newt, I come back to the FACT that the last time our economy was truly healthy, the last time our Federal Budget was under control and the last time our U.S. National Debt seemed to be getting under control was under his leadership as Speaker of the House. Newt and Bill Clinton were and are deeply flawed human beings, but the FACT is the last time the nation was truly headed in the right direction was under their guidance.

    As far as space exploration, one of President Obama's MAJOR failings has been allowing the Space Shuttle program to end without a replacement program announced and under development . I do not accept trusting manned space exploration to the private sector alone and I do not accept having NO current manned space program with input if not control by NASA.

    One last thing, not only is an EMP attack a dire immediate reality, it may well happen with no input from man, since a Solar storm could accomplish the same thing as "Star Wars" weapons !! Regardless of the source, we had DAMN WELL better start making contingencies for this VERY REAL THREAT !!

      #1.17 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:08 PM EST
      Smith Cassidy

      Yeah, it's all over the place, Slinger.

      I was watching Bill Maher the other day and that moron Kennedy (from MTV back in the day) blurted out that Sunspots were the reason for Climate Change.

      Ok, maybe that is so, but I know Kennedy didn't discover and probably has no idea how to detect and/or measure the effect of sunspots upon our planet, so where is she getting her information from?

      Yeah, science. The same people who claim human activity is in fact having an impact upon the environment.

      It's just absurd. Using science with the right hand while dismissing it with the left. Standard Operating Procedure for many Republicans.

      http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-lisa-kennedy-aka-kennedy-is-moron.html

      • 1 vote
      #1.18 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:13 PM EST
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      Tyler Durden-330839

      This was supposed to happen 40 years ago.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:26 PM EST
      fernando-2143457

      Yeah, but we went to Vietnam and that @!$%#ed it all up.

      • 10 votes
      #2.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM EST
      Tyler Durden-330839

      And started paying the Shah, Saddam, Somoza...

      • 7 votes
      #2.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:59 PM EST
      fernando-2143457

      Then there was American Idol and we forgot all about the Moon.

      • 5 votes
      #2.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:06 PM EST
      Jensen-576947

      And then the Little Green Men turned the GOP into Lunatics, so their Leader, the Grinch, could take them back home to Mother Ship (the Moon).

      • 2 votes
      #2.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:23 PM EST
      fernando-2143457

      And then Jensen ruined it by bringing up the GOP, thanks buddy.

      • 2 votes
      #2.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:25 PM EST
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      Nick46

      It's fanatsy. Who would give up the comforts of life on earth? Really? Of course the experts agree with him. As long as the money keeps flowing to the aerospace companies they all make big bucks. Meanwhile the taxpayer has to find money to live. Go find a secluded place in the desert to live and see how long that lasts.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:27 PM EST
      Davy-755715

      An excellent point. The scientists getting paid to fluff these sorts of things are the ones making a government-financed living, by playing the shtick up. Captain Kirk and Han Solo make a neat "feel good" diversion which Newt can be counted on to fluff, himself. The important thing is, it all makes lousy, unaffordable reality.

      • 3 votes
      #3.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:46 PM EST
      CMlawyer

      Oh come on, Nick. Lots of people would go for it. Don't you watch TV? Star Trek, Stargate, Terra Nova? Fiction is more real for Newt than science.

      • 1 vote
      #3.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:05 PM EST
      Silvaria

      Who would give up the comforts of life on earth?

      Even though I disagree with this entire idea from a financial perspective, a lot of people would be more than happy to be pioneers, just as numerous people in the 19th century gave up the comforts of life on the east coast to head to the "wild west".

        #3.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:23 PM EST
        Heavy Artillery Rocker

        I don't know, studies have shown living on the moon causes cancer and a major increase in lunarial diseases

        • 1 vote
        #3.4 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:32 AM EST
        Davy-755715

        Who wants to live sealed in a single wide trailer?

        The atmosphere we breathe protects us from space gravel traveling thousands of miles an hour, and the magnetic field protects us from nasty radiation. Living on the moon would be worse than living in a rural Point Barrow home.

          #3.5 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:17 AM EST
          Terry-2167801

          just as numerous people in the 19th century gave up the comforts of life on the east coast to head to the "wild west".

          The 19th century Pioneers were mostly poor people attempting to make their fortunes and create a better life for themselves and their children.

          That wouldn't apply to a Moon Colony. There is NO real economic reason to establish a Moon Colony, there are no resources there that you can't find on the earth much cheaper, and if you do need construction materials for orbital factories, the asteroids would probably be a better choice for that.

            #3.6 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 1:27 PM EST
            lokay5

            Davy-755715
            That may be true, but at least on the moon you wouldn't have people like Sarah Palin as governor...wait...that's not a bad idea!

              #3.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:59 AM EST
              BXURZ

              There is NO real economic reason to establish a Moon Colony,..

              Not yet,.. until it becomes a way-station, replenishing, re-fueling, & R&R station for workers mining asteriods at the belt,...

                #3.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:25 PM EST
                Terry-2167801

                An Orbital Waystation would be a better idea.

                Landing in and bringing materials up from a Gravity Well wastes lots of fuel, and is hard on the equipment.

                • 1 vote
                #3.9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 4:44 AM EST
                BXURZ

                The goal is the create a super-highway [lined with Super-8 ish] of inflatable housing [see Bigelow Aerospace] from here to the Moon, and then to the outskirts of the asteroid belt. The rest is commerical space history,..

                  #3.10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST
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                  Pat P11111

                  Not lunacy only pandering. Newt is just talking to get a few votes. He knows quite well tat America does not have the desire to make the effort and investment to actually act on his statements.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:36 PM EST
                  lisaed

                  He knows quite well tat America does not have the desire to make the effort and investment to actually act on his statements

                  PatP--precisely why his candidacy is so disingenous.

                  • 5 votes
                  #4.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:38 PM EST
                  Reply
                  FactOfTheMatter

                  It's possible, but should we really be spending money for it?

                  I mean, I'd rather educate a bunch of our citizens than have a moon base really.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:37 PM EST
                  kazutam

                  You know I saw a guy on Rock Center(I think that's what the show is called) last night and he made an excellent point.

                  IF we go forward with an idea like this, AND get youth enthused with this idea, then maybe they would actually pay attention in science class.

                  If you don't have a goal driving you then most are not going to go for the science and aerospace degree's.

                  There used to be 2 "space going" nations in the world, there STILL are but our country is no longer one of them.

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:42 PM EST
                  FactOfTheMatter

                  IF we go forward with an idea like this, AND get youth enthused with this idea, then maybe they would actually pay attention in science class.

                  So what's stopping them now? What, people are falling over themselves to be one of the dozen people they're going to choose to go there?

                  I don't think we have an enthusiasm gap because we're not in some mythical moon race II, I think we suffer as a culture from the lack of emphasizing how intelligence/education is a virtue.

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:01 PM EST
                  kazutam

                  So what's stopping them now?

                  That is the 64,000 dollar question.

                  It's well known that this country is starting to fall behind in the science and engineering fields.

                  And there is NOT a new generation coming up to take the place of the current folks.

                  There is a "dumbing down" that has been going on in this country for quite a few years now.

                  I saw it 10 years ago when a new programmer was hired where I was working who was supposed to be some kind of genius. His first question was "What version of windows are you running, because I can ONLY write code with the latest and greatest". So I asked him what he would do if he did NOT have a windows machine to work on and he replied that he would be unable to write ANY code.

                  Kids may know how to use computers because they are all "point and click" now a days, but it's very few of them who actually even know what the different parts of a computer are used for.

                  It isn't just the "high tech" items either that folks don't have a clue about.

                  IMO this is a national crisis, yet very little seems to be done about it. Instead of pushing science and engineering the schools are pushing "feel good" programs.

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.3 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:23 AM EST
                  BXURZ

                  It's well known that this country is starting to fall behind in the science and engineering fields.

                  That's because we outsource all of our science and engineering jobs, and with it,.. innovation.

                    #5.4 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM EST
                    kazutam

                    That's because we outsource all of our science and engineering jobs

                    Actually that's what a lot of the H1-B visa's that are issued are for, to bring people into this country to fill those types of jobs.

                      #5.5 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM EST
                      Reply
                      ivorybill

                      Actually.......I would like to see us employ wisdom over greeds, for I would dislike seeing the moon trashed, as Earth is now through our greedy ambitions, when wisdom is capable of showing us a greater way to live than we ever thought, in selfishness, we could before.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#6 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:44 PM EST
                      GoldenGateMami_Susi

                      He has a plan to map the brain. I suggest he map his own and pay for it himself.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#7 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:45 PM EST
                      lokay5

                      It would be impossible to map Gingrich's brain, for reasons that are all too obvious; he's a Republican. He HAS no brain!

                        #7.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:03 AM EST
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                        Terry-2167801

                        It's a stupid idea, there is no intelligent reason to create a Moon Colony as part of an expedition to Mars.

                        Until we have the technology to create a Completely Self-sufficient Colony on the Moon, it would be a foolish idea to do so. Anything else would be a substantial drain on limited resources.

                        And while an expedition to Mars would be an interesting project for science and engineering, it won't actually yield any more data on Mars than we can get with unmanned probes and would probably suck money away from unmanned probe projects resulting in LESS exploration and data.

                        What we NEED is to develop a very cheap way to get materials into orbit. Once THAT technology is in place EVERYTHING else will follow quite quickly on it's own. Until we can get equipment and supplies into orbit cheaply, it will ALWAYS be too expensive to build things such as Moon Colonies, Orbital Factories and Colonies, or Colonies on Mars etc..

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:53 PM EST
                        fernando-2143457

                        Why don't we just ask Superman to throw our satellites into orbit. I mean, the guy works for free.

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:56 PM EST
                        Terry-2167801

                        Why don't we ask YOU to actually contribute a sensible response to a reasonable discussion?

                        Reported as No Value.

                          #8.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:52 PM EST
                          Heavy Artillery Rocker

                          Wow you actually think this is a serious discussion? It is doable sure! Start shelling out the bucks if you're "serious".

                          If you can't see the opportunities for puns unlimited here, go back to your comic books.

                          With all the troubles here on earth do you really want to be on the moon when there is no earth to return to?

                          Without a sizable atmosphere a meteor would make short work of a multi-bazillion dollar moon base.

                          Something else to consider, until Nute Vader blasts it with his Ronald-Raygun. (HA)!

                          • 1 vote
                          #8.3 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:41 AM EST
                          Terry-2167801

                          Serious?

                          Of course it's a serious discussion.

                          That still doesn't mean that planting a Colony on the Moon is a GOOD idea.

                            #8.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 4:48 AM EST
                            Reply
                            mitch j

                            doesent the new calif gov already live there?

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:04 PM EST
                            Terry-2167801

                            No, that was the Guvinator.

                            • 1 vote
                            #9.1 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 1:33 AM EST
                            Baron Brian

                            I thought the Governator was a cyborg that came back in time to knock-up his housekeeper, not a moon-man. Did I miss something?

                              #9.2 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:59 AM EST
                              lokay5

                              Yep. They don't call Ol' Jerry "Moonbeam" for nothin'.

                                #9.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:04 AM EST
                                Reply
                                Steve Watts

                                Dear AP,

                                This:

                                Experts say Gingrich moon base dreams not lunacy

                                is not an accurate summation of this:

                                But somehow, Gingrich manages to make them sound way out there, taking them first a small step and then a giant leap further than where other politicians have gone. ... By then, the lunar base had become a colony and even a potential state...

                                From the sounds of it, the core idea behind Gingrich's outrageous promise was scientifically sound. But he carried it to a ludicrous degree far beyond what is financially, practically, and scientifically possible. That makes it lunacy. Write better headlines.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:05 PM EST
                                Thinknaboutit

                                Or lunarcy if you will...

                                • 1 vote
                                #10.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:30 PM EST
                                Reply
                                Brad-436809

                                Gingrich is just being the shrewd politician. NASA is a big part of Florida's economy and with the shuttle program mothballed, a new space program creating jobs and pumping billions of dollars in federal money to the Florida economy could mean votes for the candidate who supports such a program.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:26 PM EST
                                CMlawyer

                                Didn't Pres. Obama mention reinvigorating the space program in last year's SOTU? And didn't he get shot down big time. Speak up Repubs: if Pres. Obama's modest proposals were lunacy (lunarcy, thinknaboutit) aren't Gingrich's wild promises?

                                  #11.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:08 PM EST
                                  Brad-436809

                                  @ CM-I imagine if you live in Florida, talk of manned moon or mars exploration/ colonization sounds like jobs and money. Politics is politics, and ideas are borrowed or downright stolen all the time.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #11.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:21 PM EST
                                  lokay5

                                  Uh, hey Sparkie. You might think "lunarcy" is really clever, but, in reality, "luna" means "moon", okay?

                                    #11.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:08 AM EST
                                    Reply
                                    KitKat51

                                    If Newt wants to go to the moon, I'm all for it !

                                    Even better, take Palin with him !

                                    He made her a promise, after all.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:28 PM EST
                                    CMlawyer

                                    I'll chip in for the cost of a shuttle to fly them to the moon!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:08 PM EST
                                    Reply
                                    Gray Alan

                                    The science is not a fantasy, but his Presidency is.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:52 PM EST
                                    clearwaterbeach1-2

                                    Of course it's possible 'in the distant future' NOT @ a time when the Country is going down the toilet due to republicans. Republicans are creating such hatred in the hearts of democrats, Independents, Blacks, Hispanics....that their fantasy of gaining control of the Presidency is just that...a fantasy. They will also lose control of the Senate and Congress next time around. People who generally don't even discuss politics are now expressing their hatred for the republican party. The disrespect they show for President Obama 'because he is black' is just simply unforgivable. They play to the followers who have tunnel visions and are racists.

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                                    Reply#14 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:00 PM EST
                                    blue wolf

                                    I think they should do the moon state, populate it with republicans, and let them have total states rights, with no federal involment whatsoever.

                                    I mean, talk about your welfare state!!!!

                                      Reply#15 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:11 PM EST
                                      sms29s66

                                      I thought the Big Lie we live under is that the United States does not have or want an empire, that we have no colonial aspirations. Even if the science and financing were in place, the political considerations should give us pause. What makes us think that the rest of the world would put up with this @!$%#?

                                        Reply#16 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:30 PM EST
                                        Heavy Artillery Rocker

                                        Thank you sms29s66 you have brought up another valid point, if this were to happen shouldn't this be considered an International station?

                                        I doubt that the U.S. would be the only participants.

                                          #16.1 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:59 AM EST
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                                          ivorybill

                                          If the moon was a reflection of ourselves, a mirror, then we would gaze up when full, at a large conjunction, a mere (if-and-or-but..t) of our potential selves. We have not yet got our Earthly base secure, so why ponder on secureing what we have never done, even here.

                                            Reply#17 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:37 PM EST
                                            greg m-1174186

                                            I would rather waste money on a moon colony that all these stupid wars.

                                            Maybe we could keep criminals their like Australia????

                                            One way ticket.

                                              Reply#18 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:47 PM EST
                                              lokay5

                                              Maybe we could keep criminals their like Australia????

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                                              Australia is a criminal and you want to keep it on the moon?

                                              BTW It's "there", not "their".

                                                #18.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:11 AM EST
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                                                echo82

                                                where are we supposed to get the money? not going to come from taxes if GOP is in charge. Gingrich all blow.

                                                  Reply#19 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:47 PM EST
                                                  fronco

                                                  Gingrich dream is a colony on the moon when millions of Americans need jobs and many other needs in the United States and candidate Gingrich campaign promise is going to the moon and start a colony'' now that is just outright lunacy, politically unacceptable madness. a strategy a child would use in the 4 grade. The moon of all places in a time Americans need jobs to feed their families.

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                                                  Reply#20 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:50 PM EST
                                                  Brian-497171

                                                  Oh, so a moon base is perfectly sane to discuss and plan for - electric cars and renewable energy are liberal pixie-dust fantasies, though. I get it, now...

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                                                  Reply#21 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:09 PM EST
                                                  sbstarlite

                                                  Another great idea...especially since we have no problems here on earth. May i suggest you take palin and a few others of your flock to further our peace down here.

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                                                  Reply#22 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:09 PM EST
                                                  Fred Guisse

                                                  You are a conservative Newt. Think about it. You want to cut spending by letting the private sector do the work, offer them prize money.

                                                  Bottom line is that in a capitalist society, the bottom line is what counts. What buffoon is going to foot the entire bill for a moon base without the promise of a return on their investment? For a $500 billion program you're gonna have to offer a $700 billion prize, cause there ain't no money or goods flowing back home from Moon Base One by the end of your second term. How does the private sector reap a profit? Well?

                                                  You loony tune.

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                                                  Reply#23 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:14 PM EST
                                                  GoldenGateMami_Susi

                                                  He's in Florida where we have the two-pronged dagger of highest UE rate plus foreclosure rate and he's talking about the moon becoming a permanent US colony and eventual state.

                                                  Hellllo?

                                                  Can we go live on the moon today? How is this going to answer the economy of today?

                                                  Maybe, since he's promising this, we can all call our mortgage companies/landlords, creditors, etc. and let them know we'll be sending them an IOU for 2016 when the moon if firmly a US state, our economy is fixed, deficit controlled, budget balanced, multi-generational surpluses, we have eradicated unemployment.....

                                                  Sorry can't pay you now but Newt's promise is golden and we'll be able to pay then.

                                                  Ok.?

                                                    Reply#24 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:33 PM EST
                                                    NC Slim

                                                    What kept killing return-to-the moon plans were the costs, starting in 1969. The proposal died 20 years later when the price tag was released: more than $700 billion in current dollars.(from the AP story)

                                                    • Tell Newt that Wall Street has $700 billion tucked away for investment
                                                    • Newt is trying to get votes and curry favor with out-of-work NASA types
                                                    • Newt has glommed onto a Democratic idea. JFK announced 5/25/61 plans to send an American to the moon. The landing and walk happened in 1969.
                                                    • Gingrich is a transparent egomaniac
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                                                    Reply#25 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:37 PM EST
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